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damn critical support

unlimited genocide on the KKKore worldSS

uh like naboo disputed something, in some way, and that necessitated a blockade for reasons

it's so funny how the phantom menace has this rep of being too dry from political minutiae when there are literally no concrete details on the inciting events for the plot. not even in the expanded universe materials!

trade federation was neutral during the war officially, they were on palpatine's plot because he help nute gunray become viceroy of the TF

Nobody's talking about how Saw and Rhydo's relationship was incestuous and tbh it's fucked up.

everything they ever said about the clone wars before george shat out those movies made it sound like the clones were the enemy. look at how america names wars.

it also seems like they should've taken place more than 20 years before a new hope, and the story is way worse for his not paying attention to his own notes.

Well... there is a more generous interpretation, but I'm not sure how valid it is.

Palpatine created the clone army and then used the separatists to manufacture a threat that would cause the Republic to accept it. This was an integral part of his plan, it allowed him to kill all the Jedi and consolidate power, because the clones were trained to know nothing but battle and to blindly follow orders. "How does a republic turn to fascism?" is a question that the prequels seem to want to answer, and the clone army is part of that.

The most generous interpretation would say that the movies intentionally lead the audience on to accepting the Republic as the good guys and the clone army as necessary, and then shows that leading to disastrous results with the aim of prompting the audience to reflect on their willingness to accept the militarization of the Republic as a good/necessary thing.

However, if that's the idea, the execution is pretty questionable. It's never really made clear who should've done what differently to prevent Palpatine's rise to power. Padme has a line in Ep. 3, "Do you ever wonder if we might be fighting for the wrong side?" But the other side is also being manipulated by the same guy, and even if the Republic were to resist militarization and offer negotiations and diplomacy, Palpatine would probably just get the Separatists to push further in order to create the threat he needed. The writers seem to think it's enough to provide foreshadowing, rather than presenting actual alternatives.

A better version of the prequels would have clearly established a couple of things: 1. Palpatine's influence over the separatists is not absolute, and they are open to peaceful negotiations, 2. At least somebody (like Padme) is clearly critical and opposed to the Republic's militarization and the use of clones from the start, 3. The Jedi are not ontologically good, and/or have significant disagreements with the Republic, the war, and the use of clones. If those things were established and clearly communicated, then what we have is a story of a fascist using a manufactured/exaggerated threat to justify the controversial creation of a massive military accountable only to himself, while well-meaning people (the Jedi) struggle with the question of at what point should they stop being loyal to a government moving in an increasingly worrying direction. Instead, it really just comes down to the classic lib narrative about Hitler's magical ~~force powers~~ charisma enchanting everyone.

Yeah, I think that everyone would have been better off if movies 7, 8, and 9 were just the Heir to the Empire trilogy. It's certainly in the spirit of the original movie trilogy. Just film it as-is, do the necessary recasting, and accept that the fans already likely know the story but want to see it anyway. Akin to the Lord of the Rings book fans coming out in droves to see the movies.

honestly calling it the "clone wars" implies it was a war against the clones so it makes sense why him and other legends writers thought the clones were evil, maybe both factions should have been given clone armies

There was that one droid in Solo who fought for droid rights.

Unfortunately, she was called L3-37 and by the end of the movie, she became the computer of the Millennium Falcon.

A droid underground railroad and/or revolution star wars movie or series would be sick