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Presidential democracy (jlai.lu)
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A smug looking character runs, surrounded by the following text

ME ON MY WAY TO COMPLETELY IGNORING 49.99% OF THE VOTERS AFTER AFTER I WON THE ELECTION WITH 50.01% OF THE VOTE

https://thebad.website/comic/presidential_democracy

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[–] Commiunism@beehaw.org 4 points 9 hours ago

The problem with democracy as it is right now isn't that it's "the majority rule" (it isn't), but the fact that it's a tool of legitimizing class rule.

You get a bunch of pre-approved bourgeois candidates and parties who will either bring about further entrenchment into Capitalism (with people like Trump) or literally nothing (as seen with socdems around the world), and the parties that usually win are determined by the amount of control they have over media or "the loudest voice" aka money.

[–] Signtist@bookwormstory.social 32 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

More like "On my way to completely ignore 100% of the voters after I won the election with 46.09% of the vote."

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Here we see the downside of term limits.

[–] SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

We think it's more pointing out that democracy itself is flawed. Tyranny of the majority.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

'Democracy' does not mean 'first past the post election of a single executive agent, pre-vetted by local oligarchs.'

The inability to imagine, see in history, or see in the world today other systems of decision making by the people reads as unimaginative to the point of being disingenuous bad faith bullshit.

[–] SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

We are aware what it means and honestly, we genuinely believe that in many cases democracy is not the best fit for making decisions. So no, not in fact bad faith, ignoring your ridiculous and pointless attempts at insulting us without even knowing us.

It's okay for us to hold different opinions, doesn't mean we are incorrect.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

So... Monarchy? Oligarchy? What's your solution?

Because im pretty sure i take offense. How dare you tell me i don't deserve either autonomy or an equal voice in my governance.

No. No there's no civil disagreement on that point. Even the fucking tankies have the pretense of democratic centralism.

[–] SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Since you asked, even though it seems coming at it from bad faith then there's many forms of non democratic decision making or even systems which get on well without making decisions that don't fall in to oligarchy or monarchy or other forms of near ir actual authoritarianism.

Consensus, which could be seen as near democracy, but isn't democracy since it requires all those making a decision to agree completely, not based on majority rule.

Some forms of anarchism do not really believe in democratic or oligarchic rule and don't rely on any kind of formalised decision making.

Counter to popular belief there was a time in history before the creation of democracy which was not oligarchic or authoritarian etc (though I'm sure some may argue it was) which was based on asking elders who had knowledge and wisdom about what to do in certain situations, like harsh winters etc. It probably continues today in some form. Today and in the past it is/was usually as equally non authoritarianism based since if they stopped being trustworthy then they stopped being listened to. Sadly this is incorrectly often called 'tribal government'.

Then there's also just general co-operation without a formal decision making system.

Finally, for now, there's those that will go there own way if they don't agree with a particular decision, which is a perfectly acceptable way of doing things instead of coming to blows or pointlessly arguing it out.

Here's some further reading and listening for you:

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Okay so you're an edgelord who let libs define fundamental words for you, not piece of shit. I can fuck with that.

I categorize basically everything you outlined here under the broad category of 'democracy', but not bourgoise or electoral.

[–] SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Nope I'm an left anarchist who just happens to have different views to you. But since you, as most leftist do, wish to pointlessly argue with me, instead of trying to come to some kind of understanding this conversation is pointless.

I do hope you work on your apparent automatic anger and desire to argue instead of trying to reach understanding with those who have different understandings and views to you.

I also hope you have a nice life.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I would like to fight you physically over the definitions of words in the realm of ideas upon which we agree, possibly in a tall burning building as it comes down around us. Or maybe something during a monsoon if i can get my hair done first. Yes please. That sounds like a genuinely wonderful use of my day.