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Why would anyone even consider telling any politicians of foreign nations about a top secret project like that, much less blabbermouths like Donald Trump?
I'd be surprised if Ukraine isn't feeding Trump false info to see if Russia reacts to it
Dont know about false, but a good mix of low priority targets.
Between nations that share trust and respect, theoretically, it would give them time to reposition themselves to the coming reality, and perhaps more importantly, give any assets they have in the area a warning to keep their heads down/not step on any toes.
Even at the height of WW2 the Allies kept secrets from each other. Churchill had no idea the US had the Atom Bomb until it was deployed.
This isn’t exactly true. The British were well aware of the Manhattan Project- indeed, the whole thing began as the British Tube Alloys project before they ran out of money and convinced the Americans to take it on, with the British delegation taking prominent roles.
Britain also knew that the bomb was ready for use as the US didn’t have any bomb bay mounts strong enough to hold the weight, and they had to ask the RAF to supply a small number of mounts that had been designed for Barnes-Wallace’s 10,000kg earthquake bombs.
The big difference is that an atomic bomb would still be useful once it is revealed while this would likely be significantly less effective.
To be fair, the US thought that there were spies at Los Alamos, and they were right.
This seems like a great place to plug Feynman's talk Los Alamos From Below
There's going to be a bit of contextual nuance when deciding whether to share intelligence and when. I'd bet if we had a respectable statesperson friendly to Ukraine's plight leading this country we would have gotten a few days notice at least.
You are confusing nations with people. You can't trust a nation (or any other organization), you can only trust individuals because an organization can always contain individuals of diametrically opposed behaviors.
"Deliberately blindsided" is a little strong. We're not even officially an ally of Ukraine. They don't owe us, or anyone else jack shit as far as their war plans for defending their country. Add to that the fact that Trump is credibly accused of being a Russian asset and defers to their interests 99% of the time... Why the fuck would you trust us right now!?
Considering Trump is a Russian asset, that was a smart move to keep him out of the loop.
Yeah you don't typically tell the enemy about your secret attack plans
You don't sound qualified to be the secretary of defense. Here, this bottle might help with that.
/s.
Oh, is that why it was such an effective attack?
As is appropriate.
I'm trying to recall a disco song from, I believe, the 1970s whose lyrics in the chorus went somewhat like the following - though I might be mistaken:
"That's the way uh-huh, uh-huh, I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh"
Not totally sure of the relevance, but you're thinking of K.C. & The Sunshine Band's 1975 That's the Way (I Like It).
Why inform Putin's Bitch?
Plans love silence.
And it's never been truer. Doesn't even matter who sits in White House, strictly Ukrainian business that had to pass through as little ears as possible.
The u.s is not an ally to any of us, we have to purposely hide things from them or government and treat them as spies for Russia.
The US isn't even an ally to itself.
Was it because Trump didn’t say “thank you” after the last time Ukraine shared top secret war plans?
But I bet Putin said "thank you" when he received said plans...
LOOK AT THE FIREPLACE! No fake spray gold ornamentation! What the shit?!? Is the Oval Office a reality tv show set? Compare the fireplace from when Zelenskyy visited to Ramaphosa’s visit on May 25:
That’s some heinous Temu-quality decor! stay classy USA
🤡
“Operation Spider-Web” took over 18 months to plan
Either they left the Biden admin out of the loop too, or Biden went scorched Earth on Ukraine intelligence after the election to protect Ukraine.
I would imagine the first one to be true. There's no reason to inform everyone about it. I also predict Biden would be against it.
Biden and Sullivan would have been talking about how this is too much escalating and fucking threw a fit. Those dudes sucked and with a less afraid President of the US, Ukraine could have repulsed Russia in the first year with top of the line American arms but Biden was a fucking asshole who sacrificed Ukrainian lives for nothing
This is the sort of op they would typically notify an ally of when it is actually imminent or just got started. If Biden was still in the White House my guess is he would have been given roughy 72 hours notice or less.
The US election was 8 months ago. The operation was probably still in the planning stages. After that day, Ukraine would have known not to share any sensitive info with the US unless absolutely necessary, knowing that a Putin fanboy would soon have his hands on it. Had Biden still been in office today, he may have gotten a heads up before the actual execution, but then again, why would he need it. It is not like that information would have been actionable to anyone except the target.
I wouldn’t even tell trump what time it was, let alone something this hugely important. Trump should feel snubbed, because he’s an untrustworthy piece of taco shit.
Good on Ukraine.
What kind of twisted toxic argument is to phrase it like that and call it news?
He will throw a tantrum, demand to be in the loop. Next time he gets the intel, Russia prepares, but Ukraine will strike elsewhere 😂
You do what you must when your life is on the line
And what you absolutely must do is not say a fuckin word to trump. Unless maybe you want him to pass disinformation to Putin.
Good. The orange shitter has been pretty clear that he's no friend of Ukraine, there's absolutely no chance that he wouldn't have leaked that information to Russia just on the hope that daddy Putin would give him a pat on the head and pretend to be friends again.
That's why it worked. We all know it.
Duhhhhhhhh
Trump isn’t involved
What country is openly sharing top secret mission details with countries that are buddy-buddy with the enemy?
Such a clickbait article title + intro.