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[–] Thorry84 70 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I hate how IDEs with error checking check the code at every character. Like my dude, we got this shit right with text editors having spell check back in 1997. Wait just a moment before checking please. All the time when I'm typing the editor freaks the fuck out, this is wrong, this is wrong, here is an error, wtf is this supposed to mean? And then when I type the ) or whatever, all is well. Just give me a freaking second to work and think.

[–] powerofm@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 weeks ago

I'd say it's probably happening because the syntax parser runs every character to be able to provide auto complete, and error tracking is a part of that system. I wonder if there's a plugin that introduces some smart delay between when the error is detected and when it's displayed.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

You can thank search engines on mobile for that, pure idiocy

[–] lukstru@lemmy.world 46 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

vim evangelists incoming although they are on panel 3

[–] De_Narm@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago

Bold of you to assume I even use auto complete!

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 10 points 2 weeks ago

"clicks"? Where we're going we don't need... "clicks"!

[–] Bogasse@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

Well, my autocompletes works fine but I thinks it's a lot thanks to vscode, which seems to have pushed LSP.

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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 40 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Are you even a real programmer if you haven't fixed a prod critical but in notepad++ because your ide won't open for whatever reason?

[–] gnutrino@programming.dev 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've done critical fixes (usually config) direct on a prod server with vim over ssh before now. Not the best way to do it but sometimes waiting for CI will just take too long...

Old school "CI/CD" was an FTP server where you dropped DLLs into I remember

[–] 6nk06@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago

I once fixed an important bug by force-pushing on the master branch (I was an admin too and could do it). I had 5 minutes to fix it, and no one was aware of it. I didn't ask for permission but I was sweating a lot.

[–] 5too@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

I've lost track of the number of Report Builder files I've had to update via Notepad++ - the intended editor has so many weird kinks and corner cases it's often easier to just edit the file directly!

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 32 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Maybe old IDEs. Like Eclipse 10-20 years ago.

Modern IDEs don’t really have these issues as frequently.

[–] skip0110@lemm.ee 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Visual Studio has these issues daily.

Ten years ago VS was awesome. In the last 2 years, all they added is AI crap and every other feature got more buggy.

[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Your experience is far from universal. Working with actual code files, visual studio works very good.

Mix in XAML blazor, however...

(Note that both file formats are abstractions from which C# classes are.generated...)

[–] Droechai@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago

I have a faint memory of working with Eclipse but shelved it due to making Java even slower than my dog walking towards his shower. Is it still alive and viable?

[–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Have you tried modern Eclipse on Wayland? Save often!

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I have not. Last time I used Eclipse (maybe 10 years ago) I got so frustrated it prompted me to learn Vim.

I’m currently mostly using IntelliJ these days.

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

The only issue I've ever had with Eclipse is updating it. It's only gotten better in the past 2 years or so. The rest of the time upgrading was a complete pain in the ass. Just about every time I ended up giving up and reinstalling from scratch.

Well, the one other thing that annoys me is not having decent themeing. I use a third party extension and while it does help, there are parts of the IDE that you still can't customize so if you want a dark mode you have to deal with parta that aren't ideal.

[–] letsgo@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago

Oh I don't know. 1,3,5 and 6 resonate strongly with me for Visual Studio 2022. The only reason 4 doesn't is because instead of looking for a setting I DDG "how do I do X in VS2022"

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

modern IDEs are dog shit. If I needed a glorified clippy telling me how to do my job I'd smash my brains out all over my keyboard.

Give me an editor with the following and I'll be good for life.

  • syntax highlighting/error flagging
  • project scoping
  • script injection
  • ftp/scp

nice to have:

  • db viewer (SQL/sqlite)
  • json viewer
  • diff
  • git/vcs

if an editor can do all that I can make it do whatever I need.

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I had similar opinion, but I’ve changed my mind. Now I can barely do any serious work without an IDE.

The main feature I’m after is code completion. Just getting a peek of which methods are available is something I can’t be without.

Code hints like ”this expression will always evaluate to false” is great to capture difficult to spot mistakes.

Code usage it’s is a must when doing refactors. It makes it easy to analyze how a method is used before I commit to a refactor.

Debugger and profiler is also nice to have.

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[–] Lux@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Just use Vim!

(This user was taken out back and shot)

[–] yoshman@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I do all my edits using sed inserts, like a real dev.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Just use ed like the gods intended

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

I use butterflies

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[–] valaramech@fedia.io 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Pfff, all these amateurs here using Vim. Y'all should use Emacs. You still have all of these problems, but you get to act all superior about it. /s (except for the superiority complex; that's real)

[–] geoff@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

I use Emacs honestly just because it’s more FUN for me. It’s such an open book internally that when things break, I find I can usually figure it out. There aren’t that many environments that really feel that way. I get that it’s not everybody’s cup of tea, but man am I glad to have it.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The fediverse is just so geeky. I don't know what this means. The wikipedia article kinda makes sense, but there's a lot of terminology in there. It seems like an advanced editor with many features - like a bat-mobile for programmers, but it keeps breaking down?

[–] stormdelay@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Basically yeah, it's a text editor with a lot of features geared towards making programing easier, e.g. an equivalent of a spell checker but for code. Like any software, some IDEs/features can be either poorly designed or unstable, which can be aggravating when you spend your day working with it.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Are IDEs the microsoft word of programming?

[–] lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

Yes and no.

You can avoid all these problems by just coding in Word ofc, but then again all these problems will still happen

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[–] themaninblack@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Except for buried settings, only Visual Studio is like this.

[–] leave_it_blank@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

IDE - The precursor to SATA? I don't get it...

Edit: Learn something new every day! Thank you!

[–] GargleBlaster@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

From my limited knowledge (just started learning python) an IDE (integrated developing environment) is a program where you can do multiple things in one place while writing a program like coding, debugging or even running your application

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 weeks ago

I never knew it used to be a storage standard. Turns out it was renamed to PATA at some point.

As someone else said, IDE refers to development software like Visual Studio, Eclipse, and others. Nowadays a lot of text editors (VS Code/ium, Sublime Text, and many others) come with enough features to pass as an IDE too, but some people still somehow differentiate between them.

[–] dwindling7373@feddit.it 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No, they are not a flat rectagle creature with arms and legs.

[–] _____@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Can someone tell me if I'm just stupid and doing something wrong ?

Neovim with Python lsp works 90000% better than any Python extension on vscode for me. I don't hate vscode and I occasionally use it but it kind of sucks for python ? Does anyone have any kind of info that could help, what extensions are you using ?

[–] lime@feddit.nu 9 points 2 weeks ago

vscode isn't an ide either. one of the big problems i've seen with its python lsp server is that it doesn't work if the project structure is "wrong", which means that usability is limited.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I know you joke but topheavy IDEs are discouraging new coders at an alarming rate

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

More than the complete collapse of the programming profession is discouraging new coders?

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[–] Captain_Stupid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Crys in Vivado

[–] levzzz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Intellij is sometimes like that, e.g. I hate not being able to change my gradle cache folder globally, instead of per project

Sometimes it stops showing the ui and just runs in the background

Sometimes it fails to git pull and the rollback menu is broken

Sometimes the hot reload bugs out and it recompiles 1000+ classes

But i still love it

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