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I'm sick of having to look up what country an author is from to know which variant of teaspoon they're using or how big their lemons are compared to mine. It's amateur hour out there, I want those homely family recipes up to standard!

What are some good lessons from scientific documentation which should be encouraged in cooking recipes? What are some issues with recipes you've seen which have tripped you up?

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[–] Ziggurat@jlai.lu 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Peer review...

Too many cooking sites are let's exchange your recipe and end up with either stuff missing or absurdly high amount of sugar (as a rule of thumb divide by 2 the amount of sugar) or a lack of salt/spice even when they're notsimply forgotten.

Published books tends to be a bit better as in principle they're revised.

Peer review is how scientists correct that. Often it's as simple as on figure 2, the labels are too small and sometimes it's I don't get how you've built your experimental setup can you clarify this section? It's rarely catching biq mystake but really improves overall quality

[–] ferric_carcinization@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

At the end of the second paragraph, you're missing a space between "not" & "simply".

In you third paragraph, you used the singular "tends" instead of the plural "tend". In addition, though I believe the sentence to be grammatically correct even without them, adding commas before & after "as in principle" would make the sentence a bit clearer.

Finally, your last paragraph. The second sentence is quite long, it would be more readable if you added commas before the "and" & after the second "it's". A comma could be placed just after "Often", but the sentence remains legible even without it. The sentence could use quotation marks to improve readability further, which would end the sentence on a question mark followed by an ending quote. This would be grammatically correct in American English, but as the sentence is not a question, a period should be added to the end. While it may have been intentional, for comedic effect, "biq" should be "big" & "mystake", "mistake". If I've understood the sentence correctly, the newly-corrected "mistake" should be in its plural form, "mistakes", and be followed by a comma. The sentence should also end with a period.

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Dependencies chart!

Also, putting the amounts in the directions and not just at the beginning.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 8 points 3 days ago

Also, putting the amounts in the directions and not just at the beginning.

Fucking genius. Someone get this man a promotion

[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 days ago
  • examples from professional recipes – measurements are given as weights (in grams) – no worrying about how much brown sugar in a “packed cup” or if your cup of flour has been sifted enough or what exactly is meant by a “cup of spinach”
  • examples from baking recipes – measurements are given as percentages – allows easy scaling up and down
[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Not a scientist, but an easy improvement would be to use weight instead of volume for most measurements. "A cup of flour" can vary greatly depending on how compressed/dense it is.

[–] EchoCranium@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago

Are your oven's thermometer and kitchen scale within their calibration due dates? Is that timer NIST traceable? The measuring cups ARE Class A glassware, aren't they? Please, at least tell me you're getting your ingredients from certified suppliers... No, the spices from the dollar store down the road are most definitely NOT on the approved list, no matter how cheap they were! Dear Lord, how are you going to blame the recipies when your kitchen is still operating in the Dark Ages?

[–] mangaskahn@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

American here: can we please have measurements by mass not by volume and metric units. It would make repeatability so much easier.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Not any kind of scientist, but an adventurous home cook

I'd really like the USDA/FDA/etc. (maybe not under the current administration) to publish sort of a food safety handbook full of tables and charts for stuff like canning, curing meats, cooking temps, etc. targeted to people like me.

I've recently been experimenting with curing meats, I've done bacon, Montreal style smoked meat, corned beef, Canadian bacon, and kielbasa.

And holy fuck, is it hard to find good, solid, well-sourced information about how to do that safely.

And I know that information is out there somewhere, because people aren't dropping dead left and right of listeria, botulism, nitrate poisoning, etc. because they ate some grocery store bacon.

I just want some official reference I can look at to tell me that for a given weight of meat, a dry cure should be between X and Y percent salt, and between A and B percent of Prague powder #1, and that it needs to cure for Z days per inch of thickness, and if it's a wet brine then it should be C gallons of water and...

When I go looking for that information either I find a bunch of people on BBQ forums who seem to be pulling numbers out of their ass, random recipe sites and cooking blogs that for all I know may be AI slop, or I find some USDA document written in legalese that will say something like 7lbs of sodium nitrite in a 100 gallon pickle solution for 100lbs of meat, which is far bigger than anything I'll ever work with, and also doesn't scale directly to the ingredients I have readily available because I'm not starting with pure sodium nitrite but Prague powder which is only 6.25% sodium nitrite.

[–] sprite0@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

there are several of these from the usda!

https://nchfp.uga.edu/resources/category/usda-guide

they are really well made pdf's with a lot of good info on exactly what you're describing.

I make my own hot sauces and kraut.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Those are great, definitely gonna be saving those

I basically want that kind of guide for curing meats and other such things

Also there are some blind spots, something I was just looking for recently is canning some of my home-cured meats to save some space in my freezer. I know it's a theoretically possible undertaking, I can go to the store and buy a can of corned beef after all

But reputable sources like the USDA and NCHFP are kind of silent on it and pretty much leave it at "we can't recommend doing that, curing can change the density and water content and such and we haven't gotten the funding to test it."

I can find people who have canned their own bacon and such, and apparently not died of botulism, but I don't exactly trust the processes cooked up by some off-grid homestead tradwife mommy-blogger.

Seconding the national center for home food preservation document.

One thing that I like experimenting with that i have to search for every time is the time/temperature curves for pasteurization of different foods. Every "knows" you are supposed to cook chicken (and most "prepared foods") to 165 °F according to the FDA/USDA. What most people don't know is that that temperature is what your food needs to hit for 1 second to have the proper reduction of bacteria (e.g., 7-log for chicken, which is a really high bar). You get the same reduction with 15 seconds at 160 °F or an hour at a little over 135 °F. You can easily do that with a sous vide bath.

It's really cool for people who are immunocomprimised or pregnant because you can cook a steak to medium rare, but hold temp for a couple hours, and it's just as safe as if you cooked it to way hotter and ruined the meat. You can also do runny egg yolks.

Here's the first link that came up when I looked for it, but I'm sure you could find the actual government publication.

https://blog.thermoworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/RTE_Poultry_Tables.pdf

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

And holy fuck, is it hard to find good, solid, well-sourced information about how to do that safely.

I have a similar experience with some basic fermenting (e.g. kombucha, pickling). I'm growing cultures of microbes like yeast and bacteria and while I've been able to spot some obvious unwanted cultures on failed batches, there's a surprising absence of reputable info and unfortunately I've had to get by on the brewing equivalent of gym broscience, mostly on reddit, some of which I've spotted is misinformation. The SEO AI-generated articles plaguing search results don't help either.

They do publish pretty good information about home canning, though in batch sizes more and more of us aren't going to do because we're not putting up 10 acres worth of vegetables.

[–] Nikls94@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

At some point, food blogs stopped being about food and became personal memoirs with a side of seasoning. It probably started innocently enough—people sharing family recipes, adding a little background, a photo or two. But then came the SEO optimization, the Google gods demanding 1,500 words per post, and suddenly, every recipe for scrambled eggs begins with a story about someone’s childhood summer in Tuscany and how their Nonna taught them the sacred art of cracking an egg with one hand.

Now it’s standard: you search “how to make pancakes” and end up reading about a foggy morning in 2003, a breakup, a golden retriever named Milo, and how cooking became therapy. You scroll and scroll, dodging ads, autoplaying videos, and a pop-up asking you to “join the culinary journey.” Somewhere, buried like treasure, is the actual recipe—five steps long, could’ve fit on a Post-it note.

And yes, this is exactly that. This is the bloated preamble you didn’t ask for. You came here for temperatures and timings, and instead, you got this paragraph complaining about the very thing it’s doing. You’re now part of the cycle—scrolling, sighing, wondering when we collectively decided that roasting vegetables required a narrative arc.

Anyway, here’s the recipe. Probably. Keep scrolling.

[–] isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

you may like publicdomainrecipes.com, a no-bs recipe website (doesnt have a lot of stuff, but you need to start somewhere)

[–] dzervas@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

not exactly an answer to what you ask but I wanted to share this knowledge: https://developers.google.com/search/docs/appearance/structured-data/recipe

its a standard(ish) schema that many popular recipe websites use, so you can very easily parse them and do unit conversions

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

Cool stuff, thanks for sharing!

avoid rigid recipes and prefer cookouts

[–] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So you're basically telling chefs to research and write out for you all the variables?

Baking is a science, cooking is an art.

Every recipe handed down through generations has notes, changes, etc....that's what makes it beautiful.

I am lucky to have my grandmother's cook book with 3x5 index cards hand written, with the date and whom the recipe is from....but I don't use lard in her Ginger Bread recipe from 1932.

There is no exact science you're looking for, the garlic grown here won't be the same as the garlic grown there, your experience won't be the same as someone who has cooked for years saying 'fuck it, throw that in there and let's see what happens'.

....lol, amateur hour

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

(to be clear, I was saying 'amateur hour' tongue-in-cheek ;)

I am lucky to have my grandmother’s cook book with 3x5 index cards hand written, with the date and whom the recipe is from…but I don’t use lard in her Ginger Bread recipe from 1932.

That's wonderful! All I got was a disintegrating notebook of delights. I do like deciphering it but not when I'm hungry!

[–] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I get it!

Now to really boil your noodle I used to work with a lot of (French) chefs who when they wrote out recipes for magazines and such (pre internet) they DGAF if it was accurate or not... "if zey screw eet up, zey sink it is zere fault"

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[–] micnd90@hexbear.net 3 points 3 days ago

I don't

  1. Crack open 11% alcohol IPA that taste like battery acid
  2. Start cooking
  3. When in doubt, pour the IPA into the meal

Perfect meal everytime

[–] klemptor@startrek.website 1 points 2 days ago

You should look for kitchen tested recipes.

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Parametric recipes are great. The central ingredient is quantity 1 and everything else is a ratio by weight. You then scale it to your needs. So an equilibrium brine would be.

1 meat 1 water 0.03 salt Brine for 1 day per 2 inch of thickest section.

They don't work for everything. So when baking a loaf of bread time and temp are spefic to loaf size. It still works for a batch of bread dough however.

This also helps you think in ratios which help general recipe construction. Once you know what flour to egg radio you like for your bread you can alter recipes to your preference.

[–] De4dSpace@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago
[–] socsa@piefed.social 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

On thing that drives me nuts is weight measures for dry ingredients vs numerical egg measurements. Just give me ingredient ratios normalized to the egg mass.

[–] kenoh@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

Same could be said for "an onion" or "3 cloves of garlic". Just give me the weights, please.

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