The guy excusing it is almost just as problematic. Just because you can act polite doesnt mean youre nice, but espousing these views isnt even polite. Having to pretend to get along with people like this at work is soul draining.
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That's the joke and it's good you picked up on it.
People need to face the consequences of their beliefs within the circle of their loved ones. If that fails, the next social circle upwards like their friends. But right now it feels like even that has failed and now people are okay with letting awful beliefs fester in their neighbors because it's "politics". That's not okay, as this comic relies on.
This comic illustrates my internal struggle to get along with my trump bootlicker coworkers.
I have to schmooze a little bit to keep the working relationship running, but I feel disgusted every single day when the little hints of what they stand for peek out.
Try seemingly open-minded questions about what they think. Gently introducing questioning will avoiding confrontation can work to shake their beliefs. It can be satisfying to see them become more nuanced as they try to explain.
They just bring up information as fact that they've put no research into demonstrating.
"oh well that's just not what I believe" -anything against their alternative facts
Just gently question those: oh, why do you think this? What do you think of those people who have another opinion? Keep pulling on whatever they give.
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That men should be given a wife by the state
Ok so while I joke about this subtext in the whole thing - if they actually want that, how the fuck do they expect that to work?
Historically the closest thing to "being given a wife" was a dowry, which in my mind is a stupid term made up for a family selling their daughter.
I imagine something akin to a draft or arranged marriages. You're not married, you're not married, congrats you're now married.
And that just freaking blows my mind. I'll admit I'm a tall blue eyed WASP male, with some success in my career, so based on their definition of outward appearances dictating good genes, I'd fall into that category of eligible bachelor that Nazi Germany had.
But I fail to see how the wife I would get assigned would be guaranteed to be desirable. For all I know, the state would select a petite 22 year old, blonde hair blue eyed white girl but from bumbfuck middle of nowhere Kentucky who is dumber than rocks and I always have to do everything for her that isn't cooking or baby making. That's a fuckload of stupid, Id have nothing in common with her, we'd probably both be lonely as fuck since we're 12 years apart.
To me, it sounds like their eugenics movement has nothing to do with a master race, and more so with a bunch of men that lack self-awareness and desire an animated sex doll.
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I like this as a thought experiment: Lemmy, at what point does someone stop being nice? And is there a difference between acting or being nice?
Raymond is probably "nice" to the fellow white dude, polite and not physically aggressive.
Raymond is not nice to society.
Could even be nice to the marginalized they know and deem "one of the good ones" but still vote violence against them and be racist pieces of shit.
I know people in this exact scenario, in fact.
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I know people like this. They're "nic". But what that means is they put everyone they know into "one of the good ones" box. So they're polite to all people they know, basically... It's interesting and horrifying to see tbh
With enough self reflection, that can turn around into changing their opinion at a systemic level. Sometimes all it takes is few comments from someone they trust, and some time to process.
That's an interesting point. People can be nice to certain groups of people I guess. Maybe no one can be nice to everyone.
I kniw that probably you didn't mean it that way, but it sounds as though you're excusing Raymond.
Nothing new here, who doesn't know someone who is very pleasant on the surface and a complete sociopath underneath?
It’s like when people romanticise the old London gangsters and say they were polite and always looked after their mother. That still doesn’t make up for a lifetime of criminal intimidation, physical assault and murder.
If someone’s polite but just waiting for a local chapter of blackshirts to form they’re not nice people.
You can believe really stupid shit, but still be a nice person, so that question probably has a grey zone that would be hard to qualify, withe several "dealbreakers" in there. Like, you can't be a nice person if you want to own slaves.
And who decides what the "dealbreakers" are? The majority of society? God? Some king? Santa Claus?
This is an interesting question. Given a sufficiently functional environment "Raymond" may be functionally harmless as its impossible to for him to have anything crazy he wants. In a functional enough one he wont even admit the crazy shit he believes because it would see him excluded and possibly fired.
Do we then consider him eccentric instead of a POS? Is a sex murder a "nice" if he's behind bars and we only talk to him about normal stuff and forget that he would gladly rape and murder you without the bars?
At some point we need to understand that someone who would take away your rights and potentially kill you if you didn't roll over and accept his dominion isn't "nice" just because he exists in an environment where he isn't in a position to work his will.
Good point. There's plenty of examples (fictional or not) where 'nice' people were driven to 'not nice' things and vice versa. The fact we need laws indicate that maybe mostly people are maybe not nice? Since if we'd be considerate we wouldn't need those laws (in general)? It seems most people seem to think 'being nice' is doing things the majority of people deem as a good thing to do.
Caleb!
Imo nice and kind are separate qualities, mutually exclusive. Raymond is unkind towards women, but he may have a nice demeanor. Lots of evil people can be nice around others in chit chat, but cruel in their actions and beliefs.
This is the entire concept of the gentlemen thief. Being polite, nice and honest in way stops someone from being an awful, terrible person who would gladly steal everything you own and leave you for dead.
People seem to struggle massively with the idea that others can be complex and multifaceted. Everyone whos "nice" must be good or everyone whos "mean" must be evil. Relly is just fundamentally flawed.
Everytime i see a comment saying they are confused over this it makes me feel like people just fundamentally do not understand the concepts of nuance or really other humans in general.
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Whenever anyone says someone is nice, I internally translate it as them saying, someone is polite. Still a douche but a polite douche.
I also don't think that men should be given a wife by the state though...
Robot wife though? I might consider.
Robot life partner for everyone? Absolutely.
What you guys don't have phones? Tsk
Well, two wives just seems excessive
We could really use someone who's competent around the household. Would also take a husband and anything in between.
Ok, how about we do it like I used to play the sims in 2000.
Every house has 5 workers, and 3 stay at home people. One of the stay at home people is a cook mostly. Won't burn the house down. And can then practice other skills. While people are at work.
The second stay at home person is similar, but instead of cooking, this person is a handyman.
The third stay at home person is actually a rotating spot. Why? Because this person just stays home all day every day and increases their skills. All the skills. Then when thats done, they go back into the work force, and we pull another person OUT of the workforce to enter that 3rd slot.
Eventually all 6 of the non-permanent stay at homers will have a full set of skills.
And the two stay at home people will cook, and maintain the house, while socializing. This ensures the house has family friends. Because you know your boss won't give you a raise until you have 4 family friends.
And the 6 workers will all have high paying jobs. Which means they can afford a maid, and a gardener.
I'm a software engineer, I think I can be one of the 5 workers straight off the bat. Let's find 6 more people and we can have this eightsome working!
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My friend's wife said they need to get "a bitch". Someone who does the tradwife things while both of them can do things they enjoy in life.
This was of course said in a joking tone, they're both very progressive people, and generally share the workload at home. Gender of said bitch wasn't specified either. Just saying this before anyone thinks my friends are horrible people lol
I've said for as long as I can remember, "nice doesn't qualify you to be my friend."
Nice is like acquaintance level shit. The bare minimum of manners required to interact with people in the daily.
I have to admit one of my former coworkers was like that. Not the overt misogyny (that's just objectively disgusting) but anti-vax & trumpist, yet he was a nice guy. Very confusing for me.