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How can you tell 23 subgenres of equally shitty growls and screams apart, but not see the most Metal basics?
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this post was submitted on 11 May 2025
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I don't know where this is coming from because I grew up in the era of Marilyn Manson, the Murderdolls and Dir En Grey (etc.) Where gender was some fluid shit and everybody vibed with it.
Even though I don't like them, I also remember Rammstein playing around with gender expression.
Overall, my personal experience with metal since teenhood in the 2000s is that metalheads are extremely chill and open minded and the bigots are some fringe groups here and there that nobody likes to talk to anyways.
Metal was about challenging the status quo and trigger the sensitive puritans who wanted everybody to conform one way of living and being. Most metaheads and metal artists were social rejects who didn't fit in and weren't accepted and they rebelled against the social structure at the time for that very reason. A couple of examples of the artistic expression in metal at the time:
Pretty sure Manson even brought on a trans icon in his video for The Dope Show which itself was a critique of the creative industry and how it uses and abuses people and forces them to be someone they aren't.
Idk if I could deal with being trans. Needles scare me too much
You can do pills and a bunch of other options as well.
A friend has an implanted estrogen pellet
That's pretty rad
A lot has gone wrong, but I'm happy that at least the trans community is delivering on the promise of rogue body-modding hackers resisting a corpo-fascist greyface empire
I'll never understand why this is a divisive issue... let people live however they want, unless they bother others. How does it bother me if someone wants do get rid of their dick? Stop interfering in people's lives.
Deliberately used as the "enemy" by the fascist state as scapegoat and distraction. Queer people were also targeted by Nazis.
unless they bother other
Well, that's the thing. So many people are bothered when someone does something they wouldn't personally do, often because they were told their whole life that there is only one proper way to exist.
"...unless they are harming someone else." though, that is a pretty solid criteria.
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There are only two types, no in betweens, you're either trans or transphobic, catch up bigots.
Societal alienation makes for the best art and metal is no exception. Metalheads trying to exclude someone for being different (NSBM excepted) have completely missed the point of the entire genre.
Shout out to Genital Shame and Lust Hag making excellent Transwoman Black Metal!
I had never heard over NSBM (nazi black metal) before and am actually kinda shocked, this exists... Fuck them.
A lot of first wave and early norwegian black metal bands were essentially proto-NSBM. Nazis have been a part of black metal for as long as it's been around. For a long while black metal had a reputation for being full of fascists
It sucks because black metal has become one of my favourite subgenres in metal. I absolutely love how there is this reoccurring theme of worshipping nature in all her beauty and brutality. It is so sick.
I stayed away from black metal entirely in my teens back in the 2000s because of all the scary rumors, but began listening to some of it during the pandemic. I was in this music exploration phase and black metal totally blew my mind. It is genuinely one of the most beautiful subgenres in metal.
And yes, there are nazis and Satanists and so on in this subgenre, but black metal was also built by and for edgelords originally. The amount of snarky gatekeepers and contrarianism that went on at the birth of Norwegian black metal is so beyond cringe that when I finally sat down and read up on the history, I had several times where I felt secondhand embarrassment for everyone involved.
The types of people who are attracted to the original philosophy of black metal tend to also be very immature types who seek shocking and repulsive behaviors to have people around them react. The fact that they, among many other things, attach themselves to nazisism is just a symptom of the edgelord mindset where everything is done to one-up and shock others. It is so pathetic.
Meanwhile there are also many normal people who just want to make awesome art and black metal is a way for them to be killer fucking poets/musicians while looking and sounding like rotting corpses.
I have a few artists and bands I listen to and love for their songs about nature or mental health. Psychonaut4, Lustre, Blackbraid, Advent Sorrow, Nargaroth, Thy Light and Agalloch are some of my go-to artists when I'm in my BM corner.
I always bring this one up, because I cannot help it, but one of my favourite lyrics of all times is from Agalloch's In the Shadow of Our Pale Companion:
Here at the edge of this world
Here I gaze at a pantheon of oak, a citadel of stone
If this grand panorama before me is what you call God
Then God is not dead
🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌
Based take, I'll have to give them a listen
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Transphobic metal can fuck right off
Just gonna drop Cattle Decapitation here, tho (CW gore, and a lot of other fucked up shit):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvxVkF8lCAo
Making songs about torturing transphobes since 2013
I'll second with OG deathgrind veterans Brutal Truth and 1990 "Anti-Homophobe" :
I wanna downvote because you called metal shitty growls and screams, but I'm no transphobe so you get a comment >:(
Metal people are the most chill people always, have you seen Serj outside of musical videos? He's almost a hippie.
[OP] called metal shitty growls and screams,
To give the OP credit, even as a metal fan, they're not exactly wrong. There are plenty of bands/genres that I try to listen to and come away thinking something to that effect.
I'm a metal fan, Serj is fantastic.
I'm still going to mock metal :)
No matter how much we like metal we gotta admit it's pretty silly most of the time.
"Demonic Gender" sounds like a banger bandname.
Not only that, "Alabama State Legislators" sounds like a killer punk-folk act
I'm scared to ask but what in the fuck is punk-folk
Check out Days N' Daze. That'll get you started.
When a punk and a folk love each other very much, something something bees and flowers.
Like Violent Femmes. It's punk played on acoustic instruments.
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If I die and go to hell and there is no metal genre playing then I know I truly went to hell.
And for those who say 'what about all the people before metal music was invented who died and went to hell'. To that I have to say that metal music is eternal and the history of music is a lie!
"23 subgenres of equally shitty growls and screams" sounds like a headline from far-right media, so...
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"Lifes for my own to live my own way"
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