this post was submitted on 01 May 2025
1396 points (96.3% liked)

Selfhosted

46596 readers
999 users here now

A place to share alternatives to popular online services that can be self-hosted without giving up privacy or locking you into a service you don't control.

Rules:

  1. Be civil: we're here to support and learn from one another. Insults won't be tolerated. Flame wars are frowned upon.

  2. No spam posting.

  3. Posts have to be centered around self-hosting. There are other communities for discussing hardware or home computing. If it's not obvious why your post topic revolves around selfhosting, please include details to make it clear.

  4. Don't duplicate the full text of your blog or github here. Just post the link for folks to click.

  5. Submission headline should match the article title (don’t cherry-pick information from the title to fit your agenda).

  6. No trolling.

Resources:

Any issues on the community? Report it using the report flag.

Questions? DM the mods!

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

cross-posted from: https://poptalk.scrubbles.tech/post/2333639

I was just forwarded this someone in my household who watches our server. That's it folks. I've been a hold out for a long time, but this is honestly it.

They want me to pay to stream content that I bought from my hardware transcoded also on my hardware.

I'll say it. As of today, I say Plex is dead. Luckily I've been setting up Jellyfin, I guess it's time to make it production ready.

Edit: I have a Plex Pass. More comments saying “Just buy a plex pass” are seriously not getting it. I have a Plex Pass and my users are still getting this.

And for the thousandth person who wants to say the same things to me:

  • YES I know I'm unaffected as a Plex Pass owner.
  • My users were immediately angry at it, which made me angry. Our users don't understand what plex pass is, and they shouldn't have to, that's why I had it. The fact that they were pinged even though it should have kept working is horribly sloppy
  • Plex is still removing functionality. I don't care that "People should pay their fair share". If Plex wants to put every new feature behind a paywall, that's completely okay. They are removing functionality.
    • "But they have cloud costs". Remote streaming is negligible to them. It's a dynamic DNS service. Plex client logs in, asks where server is, plex cloud responds with the IP and port of where server is located. That's it.
    • "Good luck finding another remote streaming" - Again, Plex just opens up an IP and port. Jellyfin also just opens up an IP and port (Hold on jellyfin folks I know, security, that's a separate conversation). All "remote streaming" is is their dynamic dns. Literal pennies to them. Know what actually is costing them money? Hosting all of that ad-supported "free" content that they're probably losing money on.

In short, I don't care how you justify it. Plex is doing something shitty. They're removing functionality that has been free for years. I'm not responding to any more of your comments repeating the same arguments over and over.

(page 3) 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In 2012 (ish), I bought a lifetime subscription for a flat $75. Over the next few years of using it, they got worse and worse with shit like this, so I switched to Emby for a bit, and then Jellyfin. I never shared with friends, tho, because I have no friends, so it was always just a pretty interface and convenience for me. Lately, I've just been opening the files directly in VLC, because Remmina is refusing to connect to my media server, and I can't be arsed to figure out why.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] ClemaX@lemm.ee 33 points 1 day ago

Fuck them, glad I switched to Jellyfin years ago.

[–] rhacer@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (4 children)

This doesn't really affect my household. My wife, my daughter, and I all have lifetime PlexPasses.

That said, this level of enshitification has me wishing there were options (yes I know about Emby and Jellyfin and I've investigated both more than once) but they have me ensnared by PlexAmp and Sonos integration. I've been around since before anyone had even seen the letters MP3 strung together, and I have never had a music player as capable as PlexAmp.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 164 points 2 days ago (54 children)

Lol "Your Friends at Plex"

get fucked, assholes, Jellyfin is better anyway

load more comments (54 replies)
[–] 30p87@feddit.org 214 points 2 days ago (59 children)

I never got the idea of selfhosting but paying (except for enterprise-grade support or donations) anyway.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 173 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (49 children)

You know all the certs and security and port stuff you need to do? Plex does that. You just download the app, point it at your folders with media, and you’re all set both at your home and beyond it. There is no self hosted solution that is that turnkey. I really don’t understand how so many people don’t see the appeal of that. It makes quasi-selfhosting possible for people with far less technical knowledge than those of us here.

I could write a less than one page bullet point instruction and virtually anyone who knows how to work a desktop computer could get a server up and running in one or two hours tops. If they have any computer experience, more like 30 minutes.

What’s more, people with literally no computer knowledge can easily open the app and watch your stuff. They just make an account, download the app, and they’re off to the races. TV, tablet, doesn’t matter. There is no self hosted solution that is nearly as streamlined as Plex. I say this as somebody who likes jellyfin a lot. They are completely different experiences that require completely different levels of knowledge

load more comments (49 replies)
load more comments (58 replies)
[–] dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I have plex set up with cloudflare tunnels, with the url configured in plex under Settings > Network > Custom server access URLs, does this mean that my users will no longer be able to view content inside the plex app or app.plex.tv? The enshittification is real

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] MSids@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I'm coming up on 5 years as a Plex pass owner, so my users and I will not be impacted by this change. In five more years if they asked me nicely to pay another $89 to support the service I would. Send me some stickers and put a badge on my server. I get a lot of use out of the software/service, as do my family members.

I will say, I am quite annoyed at the wording and audience of this email. Jellyfin is just not an option for me until there is excellent feature parity with Plex. I know they are a lot of Jellyfin fans here, in my opinion, Plex is a significantly better experience for me.

load more comments (6 replies)
[–] derry@midwest.social 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (14 children)

I see some posts taking about jellyfin and tailscale and I find it interesting that it's not mentioned tailscale is a private company. Why are they not being held to the same standard as Plex? How long before it becomes enshittified? I saw they have a free plan but give it time until they realize the number of users in the free tier are large enough to monetize.

edit: I'm prepared to be down voted but mark this and see where it ends up at.

Edit2: and I'm not defending Plex. I agree it's a shitty move.

[–] bedbeard@feddit.uk 10 points 1 day ago

I have definitely seen worries about tailscale in other threads related to a recent VC funding round, I suppose they haven't aggressively started the enshittification journey (yet), and it is also a bonus that most of tailscale is open source, e.g. headscale exists.

If tailscale started reducing the free service # of devices/users to push people towards their paid 'personal plus' plan then maybe we'd see a similar backlash. I say this as a tailscale user myself.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Some points as someone who does not use Tailscale:

  • Tailscale the software is under a BSD license. Plex is proprietary.
  • The discussion in this thread about Jellyfin is less corporate versus non-corporate (where in the context of proprietary software this would be payware versus freeware) and more FOSS versus proprietary software.
  • To be clear, Tailscale is proudly doing the same Series C venture capital bullshit as Plex. They're seemingly just as corporate as Plex, but at minimum, the software as it exists right now isn't tied down to Tailscale.
  • Additionally, this isn't Tailscale versus Plex; it's Jellyfin + Tailscale versus Plex.
  • Jellyfin + Tailscale means that you're using Jellyfin, which is FOSS. Using FOSS doesn't just benefit you but also everyone else using it because it benefits greatly from the network effect. Any money that goes to Jellyfin that would've otherwise gone to Plex is given back to the community and hard-working developers rather than lining some soulless venture capitalist's pocket.
  • With Jellyfin + Tailscale, everything you're using locally is FOSS. With Plex, none of it is. And even taking corporate into account, with Jellyfin + Tailscale, most of what you're using locally is non-corporate. With Plex, all of it is corporate.
  • Tailscale is giving you a real service through use of their VPN. Because Plex is run on the end user's infrastructure and barely touches Plex's server for remote streaming, they're basically just making you pay them a "fuck you, that's why" subscription fee.

TL;DR: This isn't a binary "corporate versus non-corporate".

load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments (12 replies)
[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 40 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I don't use Plex. I have never used Plex. But based on the one time I tried, this doesn't surprise me even a little bit.

Years ago I installed it on my NAS, it was a one click download package. I installed it and hit the button to set it up. And then it prompted me to make a cloud account.

Why do I need a cloud account? I am logging into my local server and I am not sharing anything with anybody nor am I subscribing to any cloud services. I have no need of a cloud account. But, the way they built the thing, you need a cloud account to log into your local system.

I did not create a cloud account. I uninstalled it. I concluded that a company that claims to care about user privacy, but requires cloud integration in an area that absolutely does not require cloud anything, does not actually give a shit about privacy. I Googled and found that the requirement for a cloud account was, at the time, a fairly new thing. Lots of people didn't like it. I concluded that this company was beginning to enshittify, although this was years ago and none of us had heard that word yet. But either way, it was obvious that the company was moving in a not customer-friendly direction and I did not want to be along for the ride.

My choice has been proven right several times over the years since. And yes, every time they remove a feature, or make some other customer unfriendly decision, I retell this story.

The moral here is that a company either cares about its customers or it doesn't, and it's usually pretty easy to tell which one fairly quickly. When one bad decision is made, and not corrected, others will follow.

Synology is the latest example of that. For anyone not paying attention, they have recently announced that their 2025 series units will only work with Synology branded hard drives, which are of course more expensive than standard Seagate or Western Digital drives (which work just fine). But if you look, the bread crumbs are there and form a trail. Over the last few years they have removed features, for example the device is no longer can decode h.265 surveillance video, and the units will no longer display SMART data for 'unsupported' drives. I say no longer because they used to, but an update changed that so they no longer do.

Bottom line though is don't do business with companies that don't respect you.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 67 points 2 days ago (1 children)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] drspod@lemmy.ml 116 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Trying to monetize the piracy of your users. That's a bold business strategy.

Look, I know a lot of people could be using the sharing feature to share material that is in the public domain or that they own the copyright to, but let's be honest: most of that sharing would be considered an "unlicensed public performance" by the MAFIAA.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 69 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They sold to private equity a couple years back. The enshittification started that day.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (5 replies)

The beginning of enshittification.

Prices will keep climbing, functionality reduced in favor of service tiers, and of course ads, ads, and ads.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 19 points 1 day ago

Once you invite an MBA in you can never uninvite them…

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"your friends"

dude my friends don't charge me for shit

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

People use Plex?

[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

What was the appeal of Plex anyway?

[–] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It has been a few years since I last used Plex but I always liked their interface, their tech stack is fairly modern, they have apps for pretty much every device, their title matching for content works really well and there was not much wrong with it back in the day other than it lacking local authentication.

I switched over long ago when they started pushing streaming services to my users that I couldn't deactivate server side.

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Alph4d0g@discuss.tchncs.de 34 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Jellyfin. Tailscale. Bob's your uncle.

load more comments (8 replies)
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 30 points 1 day ago (17 children)

Playon, Evernote, Lastpass, there have been plenty of examples.

Whenever a company starts charging for previously free features, it's time to GTFO, even if you're on their pay side.

I've got lifetime Plexpass, but I can read the writing on the wall. It's only a matter of time before they enshittify my product or stop providing updates. They'll sunset Plex and start Plex+ or some shit, give em a year or so.

Get your Jellyfin installed and working, they can work beside each other. Tailscale if it's just you, reverse proxy if you have the fam on in.

load more comments (17 replies)
[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago (9 children)

So as long as the server owner has Plex pass everyone's still able to stream from the server?

load more comments (9 replies)
[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Wonder how long those 2.99 a month figures will last. I give it a year before there's no seperate remote streaming package and the only remaining one is >10$. The main appeal of Plex was not paying. It's used by pirates. The goal is content for free. It's no longer free. I don't care at all if random people can use my Plex server. If they are unwilling to adapt to a new platform, then I guess they'll resubscribe to Netflix. Most of them never unsubscribed from Netflix to begin with.

This was the end for me. Used Plex for almost a decade. I'm off to Jellyfin. It's actually almost no change whatsoever to integrate it into my home setup.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 56 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Exhibit #46,853 for why freeware will inevitably fall out from under your feet and why you should exclusively use FOSS wherever possible.

EDIT: Here's Jellyfin's 'How to Contribute' page.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›