I don't understand this. I cant even name a single community native to the instance I use. I picked one that hadn't defederated from anyone, and I block communities as needed. Also subscriptions are a thing.

[–] normal_user@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Actually lemmy.one defederates from lemmygrad.ml

Which is kinda weird because they allow everything else but I guess it’s okay.

[–] CassowaryTom@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago

Ah. Interesting. I sort of forgot about lemmygrad altogether. Guess that explains why.

[–] Jimbo@yiffit.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

????

Why do people not seem to know that the subscribed feed exists?

[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well half the things I've tried to sub to say 'pending' then never get added to my feeds so that needs to be fixed. I don't think it's a jerboa issue because I've had it on desktop too.

I don't really know what's happening there, am I waiting for permission to subscribe? Waiting for it to sync between local and remote instances? For my local client to communicate with the instance I'm on or the the community is on?

Either way there should be an intermediary step where is stored locally soi I can find it again

[–] Discover5164@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

if you hit refresh while it is in the pending state, does it go to subscribed?

i've seen it on the website, but it is just a graphical glitch. you did indeed subscribe to the community, just the front end never gets updated to reflect it.

but this might be outdated, it has been a long time since i last used the website.

i use sync btw, and here it works. you hit subscribe and the ui reflects the change

[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No it never changes and the community never gets added to my list, it's only when trying to sub to communities from other instances as far as I can tell

[–] Discover5164@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

that's not supposed to happen, please do report it to the instance admin

[–] stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Best take

[–] nothacking@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago

That's what the subscribed feed is for.

[–] jaiden@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah thats the problem - too many comments. /s

[–] MargotRobbie@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

I respectfully disagree. On our LW Android comm, the discussion quality is generally pretty good, except when a post get on the front page, then the quality just drops like a rock.

Smaller (but not too small) crowd usually lead to higher quality discussions, that's true on reddit(default subreddits are pretty much all terrible) , and that's true here as well. (the turning point for quality decline reddit is at about 20K subscribers). So, I don't think the "instance protectionism lead to lower discussion quality is true at all.)

Also, I think the mod tools here is basic but perfectly adequate. You can check our community's mod log to see how much post removal/bans we actually had to do, and it's not a lot. Also not to brag, but I think our weekly discussions are some of the best threads on Lemmy right now.

It's not hard, I just tell our comm's users that I expect them to act like adults, and most of them act like adults, and we just remove the post of the few who refuses to do so (they are like in the single digits over the last months) and our admins usually handle the trolls that requires site wide bans in literal minutes here.

I don't use bots to mod and still do not see the need for it, because it turns out that if you cultivate a good culture in your community, moderation is pretty easy. That's just my experience here though.

[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can't argue with that, hopefully they improve before the biggest instances decide to partly close on themselves

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Too late for that!

[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is it?

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

The top five instances aren't even all federated together...

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Instances shouldn't be first class citizens, they should be more invisible to the users. The fediverse should be more like a cloud. Communities should be the primary focus, and only allow Instances to control how many users/communities they are the primary/secondary source for.

[–] Kichae@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Disagree. Indeed, I couldn't disagree more strongly.

Instances are not just abstract server nodes in some overly wasteful recreation of some other website. This is the world wide social web as it should have been.

You may as well argue that websites should be indistinguishable from each other.

This isn't Reddit. Full stop. And it's not a drop-in Reddit replacement, either. It's not "Reddit, but different". It's a whole new paradigm in forums and content aggregation. It's very different from centralized social media, and we need to stop dancing around or trying to hide that fact.

It will never get to reach its potential if we decide it needs to be nothing more than a simulacra of what came before it.

[–] lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there already exists a proposal to make communities work more like a cloud.

It's just a matter of time before Lemmy and Kbin implement this.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago

This is the world wide social web as it should have been.

This is my stance too - we took a wrong turn letting initially utopian tech companies create vast eyeball-farming dystopias when the natural progression from forums and blogs is breaking them out of their silos (not building bigger ones) and letting them talk to each other.

This isn’t Reddit. Full stop. And it’s not a drop-in Reddit replacement, either. It’s not “Reddit, but different”. It’s a whole new paradigm in forums and content aggregation. It’s very different from centralized social media, and we need to stop dancing around or trying to hide that fact.

Indeed. It's early days still and the Reddit diaspora has shaped the initial growth but, as it spreads beyond that, it will expand and mutate. Already kbin have a kind of forum/microblogging thing going and it will be interesting to see how things evolve from here. With better moderation tools, I could see people skipping setting up their own forum and blog and just spinning up an instance instead - there are too many advantages to not do it. That'll drag in a more diverse group of people with different needs and requirements that will push development in new directions. I, for one, can't wait to see where this all goes.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To use a somewhat stretched analogy. Instances should be like bitcoin miners, I don't need to know much about them individually at all. My only concern is that there isn't a majority miner/instance.

It doesn't have to be a reddit clone, but the federation needs to move to a more mandatory model, and one that puts the content first. The current system is far too user hostile to allow anything but the lowest common denominator of communities.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago

Miners are trying to make money, which is why having a faceless and generic flavour/community is irrelevant.

That's not what motivates folk running lemmy instances

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago

I have zero interest in administrating a generic lemmy instance, including the inevitable hosting of transphobic and bigoted users.

I admin a group focused on the gender diverse community, my community because that's what's important to me.

Your solution would lead to less folk volunteering to run communities

[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 years ago

i use the home feed