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Originally Posted By u/HumusSapien At 2025-04-15 02:37:32 PM | Source


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[–] owl@infosec.pub 3 points 4 hours ago

"Number one: In 1945 corporations paid 50 percent of federal taxes. Now they pay about 5 percent."

[–] Alpha71@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

And it's pronounced Reich!!!

[–] Ckjazz@lemmy.ca 15 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You know, if you raise the corporate tax rate, there's actually an incentive to pay people more because that is effectively a cost of doing business... Food for thought.

[–] galanthus@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

If the corpo is taxed more on income, it lowers the profit margin, which probably would make them not especially keen on reducing it even further by paying more to their emloyees.

Noone is going to decrease their profits to pay less taxes. You only pay a fraction anyway, how would that even work?

[–] Asafum 16 points 10 hours ago

Nah bro nah bro you don't get it, just one more tax cut bro then you'll get higher wages I promise. Just one more.

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Are/were there tax brackets for corporations as well?

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Not sure about the US but generally no, you pay the same rate from the first dollar.

It doesn't make sense to have brackets for corporations because they can move their income forward and backward through time to a greater extent than individuals can.

It would incentivise a lot of BS to minimise tax which ultimately isn't "productive".

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Oh gotchya, that makes sense I guess.

[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 10 points 10 hours ago

Make American Great Again and raise corporate taxes to 1950 levels

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 22 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

If corporations are people, why did they get their own Special tax scheme?

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago

You're right. Super wealthy should also get their own tax scheme. /s

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz -2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

So this post is dishonest, as one might expect from a blatant anti-capitalist. It suggests that the corporate tax rate has just moved towards the low end in a linear fashion, whereas the truth is that it has fluctuated during the years. It also suggests that taxes were in general higher in 1950, which also is not exactly true.

https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/historical-corporate-tax-rates-brackets/

https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/taxes-on-the-rich-1950s-not-high/

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

People just became much better at dodging taxes is the real answer, but even your own source shows that tax collections in the 50s And 60s were over 3% of gdp while it's 1% now

[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I'm with you. There are either a lot of bad actors in this thread, or a lot of uneducated people. Don't really have a preference on which it is, they are both pretty bad.

[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world -5 points 12 hours ago (5 children)

Raising the corporate tax rate is about as effective as tariffs. The money they have to spend will just get added into the price and they'll call it "inflation" again. The problem is there is nothing to protect the consumer from rampant capitalism. The middle class has been eroded away, and the lower class loses members to the poverty line every minute. A corporate tax won't fix that. Consumer rights will. Corporate oversight will. We need someone with a backbone in a leadership position, and we keep voting for the bent-spine cocksuckers that only care about the bottom line. It's time to start lining politicians against the wall. It's been a death by inches for decades, and the idea that if we make the corporations pay their fair share we'll somehow fix the problem is the worst kind of delusion. The roots are too deep now to get away with simple pruning.

[–] Lowpast@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

So true. Higher corporate tax rates are almost never correlated with either higher tax revenue nor decreased corporate greed.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Higher taxes incentivizes tax dodging and avoidance, the way to increase wealth is to unionize and force employers to pay living wages, alternatively to move past capitalism

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 hours ago

Increasing corporate taxes certainly incentivises corporations to move off-shore.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 17 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Corporate tax is much less dangerous than tariffs, assuming you tax profits.

A tariff kills small businesses with low margins. It directly increases the cost of goods sold. I know because I got bit bad by tariffs this year and might have to close the company.

A tax on profits only reduces what you earn AFTER the cost of goods sold. So if you’re in a high margin tech business, great, pay a lot of taxes. If you’re in a low margin side hustle, great, you owe very little.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 8 hours ago

It depends on how the tax rate is raised. If we bump every corporate tax bracket up 5%, you're correct.

If, instead, we establish a punitively-high top-tier rate, what we will be instead are small and medium businesses operating as usual, while large companies tailor their business models to stay just under the line. It is that "tailoring" that benefits the economy: reducing revenue, and/or increasing expenses to reduce net taxable income.

Giant companies will divest themselves into smaller business units, where they are forced to compete with eachother (under penalty of antitrust laws). This makes it harder for them to devalue labor.

[–] BeNotAfraid@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

At which point people won't afford their products and they'll have to concede. Or, better option, push everyone into FOSS operating systems and renew interest enough in Ubuntu Touch, Postmarket OS, or any of the mobile Linux distros to see widespread divestation from Google, Apple, Amazon Web Services and Microsoft. Nothing but good comes from taxing the rich.

[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

At which point people won’t afford their products and they’ll have to concede.

We've got a century's worth of data that proves you wrong.

Or, better option, push everyone into FOSS operating systems and renew interest enough in Ubuntu Touch, Postmarket OS, or any of the mobile Linux distros to see widespread divestation from Google, Apple, Amazon Web Services and Microsoft.

Bwahahahahaha. ahem. I'm sorry. I don't know what came over me.

Nothing but good comes from taxing the rich.

Nothing but good comes from taxing the rich, and making it stick. You have to enforce the law. Without regulations and oversight, the situation won't change in any positive direction.

[–] BeNotAfraid@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Nothing but good comes from taxing the rich, and making it stick.

Which is why we need a message unity at a scale of global import. You deeply underestimate peoples' capacity for understanding. People don't miss that which is stolen from them, until they realise it's gone. The same, is true of privacy. Once the implications are broadly understood, we will rally. We are not cattle, we are the poets, we are the artists. We are the dreamers of dreams.

[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I don't underestimate people's capacity for understanding, I accurately estimate their energy to get out and do something about it. Everyone knows they're fucked. No one has the strength to stand.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 8 hours ago

Nothing but good comes from taxing the rich, and making it stick.

It doesn't even have to "stick", so long as the strategies available for them to avoid the taxes are beneficial.

When they are forced to turn around and spend their excessive revenue on good and services, they are putting people to work, creating paychecks, instead of padding their portfolios.