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"I think they were robots..."

The immediate thing that registered when I started watching Westworld, the basis of HBO's hit tv show Westworld (2016), was that Michael Crichton wrote and directed the film. Which is pretty cool because Westworld in many ways mirrors and seems birthed out of the well of ideas that gave us Jurassic Park. However the thematic impact was not the same for me, while in Jurassic Park we have people talking about dinosaurs, a long tease at the start, learning theories of chaos and actually spending time with characters who we start relating to, Westworld opens with a marketing commercial!

The movie then puts us on a ride with two characters who are terribly boring in my opinion - one of them is less boring than the other though - as we follow them into....Westworld. But what is Westworld? Well, Westworld is part of a resort where you can give 1000$ a day (something like 7200$ today) to spend your vacation in three of the realistic man-made depictions of old times, all filled with era-authentic environments and robots playing and acting as people of those times. There's Romanworld, Medievalworld and of course, Westworld. The movie's name suggests that most of the time will be spent in the later and indeed that is so, though for some reason Crichton employed the use of some side characters that sometimes have the same depth of characterization as the main characters (which means none) to show us what's going on in one of those other resorts.

That's the general premise and this film has basically two frames of references from this point: the western world of the resort with everything that might be in a western and played out in a loud stereotypical fashion to the benefits of the guests and the other clean, office-like interiors of Delos, the company behind these resorts. All of this turns out into a fun back-and-forth of what's happening behind the scenes and what's happening down in the resorts as the machines start to behave differently and experience failures. Visually it's awesome and the shots and framing do feel really authentic to not only it's sci-fi setting but the western as well.

Okay, now... Let's talk about Yul Brynner. He was one of the reasons why I wanted to watch this film as he was one of my favorite parts of the film "The Magnificent Seven", his portrayal of the strong silent character from "Seven Samurai" was so good and he brings all of that silent strong game, albiet with a villain twist, in Westworld. He just dominates the scene as one of the robots programmed to be a gunslinger who is reset each day but remembers that he has to hunt one of the main characters. The presence of his menace starts growing more pronounced until the last 25~20 minutes of the movie which reminds me of so much of the villain Terminator in T2 years later. It's straight up without dialogue, one man running from a robot who wants to kill him. It does drag for me a little bit because I don't really care about the character, which is one of the things this movie does.

Westworld ultimately a fun, sci-fi action movie about robots looking like humans and starting to kill humans. It's not as imaginative as Jurassic Park and definitely not as iconic in it's direction but what it is is a loud, action-filled movie that can provide a little bit of imaginative sci-fi. What I really don't like here are the characters and writing, as it doesn't really have a strong narrative and it's more about Westworld the place and feel than any one character. It genuinely feels like there's half a movie missing from it because of how events progress into chaos, often at a whim. The action scenes feel unimpactful mainly because while they look fine and cool, I can't really give a shit

6.5/10

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[–] LGOrcStreetSamurai@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

As far as reboots go I think the Westworld HBO is genuinely what reboots ought to be. I think it builds and extends the original concept in all the right ways creatively.

[–] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Are the later seasons of Westworld worth watching? I stopped watching just as samurais entered the picture.

Also did you know there was a sequel called Futureworld and a TV show called Beyond Westworld?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futureworld

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Westworld

The TV show is pretty trash. Not in a fun way. Wouldn't recommend.

[–] Runcible@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I thought the first season of Westworkd was incredible but made it to about where you did in the second which was bad before I dropped it. Apparently the next seasons were terrible, they had the set burn down in the CA wildfires and then general Covid problems and they never got it together.

[–] mrfugu@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

production issues aside, I did watch all of the HBO show as it was releasing….

They had a lot of interesting ideas. Way too many tbh. Felt like every season after the first was just frantically chasing the william/MIB reveal of season 1. It just devolved into the worst parts of later bits of Lost and the Matrix. Plus, iirc, they barely covered the one mystery I was actually interested in, which was Fords secret agenda.

completely agree with this assessment.

each season would seemingly scatter threads and pursue some completely novel concept without really tying it in to what had come before... but pretending like it was.

it was much more disorienting than I wanted it to be, all the while alluding to some inscrutable master plan / existential crisis / fate. which never seemed to reveal meaningfully.

[–] Overspark 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

1st season is brilliant, none of the later seasons will match it.

2nd season is way too far up it's own ass in how the story is told. If you need Alt Shift X (a youtube series) to explain to you what you've just watched (and I did) you're failing as a story teller. HOWEVER, if you disregard how the story is told there's still a lot to like in the 2nd season. Both Shōgunworld and The Raj are a decent change of scenery for example, and I loved some of the new characters, like Williams daughter.

3rd season is very different since we're no longer in the parks. The real heroes of this season are the location scouts. The places everything is filmed in are absolutely amazing and make for some really beautiful pictures. It's quite a bit different from the first two seasons, almost like it's a different show. Overall I liked it but not all episodes worked for me. Aaron Paul plays a great role as a new main character, which is both very relevant to how things are now and also a bit on the nose.

4th season is still interesting but harder to like, and again changes direction quite a bit. There is a bit where once again a new park is opened which felt quite tired to me, but it's supposed to be very unoriginal so maybe it gets a pass for that? Not sure. Even though there was supposed to be a 5th season it does a decent job of ending the series, although the ending is very open and it's not at all clear how things will go from there.

All in all I feel like every season is worth watching and I've watched them all more than once over the years, but I totally understand how the 2nd season chased people away and the seasons after that weren't good enough to lure them back. If you're patient enough to get through the bad parts there is a lot to love in all the seasons.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

Yah I thought season 2 was garbage, but enjoyed seasons 3 & 4 because they went full-on Blade Runner/Ghost in the Shell/Black Mirror. After season 1, I'm not sure what stories you can tell if you keep the show inside the park. By moving it elsewhere and exploring the implications of the technology shown, you get a lot more to work with.

Unfortunately, people still wanted to stay in the park like in season 1 and didn't like the change of setting in seasons 3 & 4. Understandable, but I wish viewers would have been more open to what was presented.

[–] Legendsofanus@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

Yeah I just found out about them, they don't look very interesting haha

About Westworld the show....man, I remember I saw the first episode like four years ago and I still remember how good it was. I tried to watch the show today after watching the movie but can't pay for HBO unfortunately

[–] gnash@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Did you know that Arnold specifically modelled the behaviour after Yuls performance in this movie?

[–] Legendsofanus@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

I was curious about how much this movie influenced the first Terminator when I learned that. I love how, not even just Yul's performance which is a major part of it but everything, the character being followed by a machine, POV shots of how it sees the world, every element has been reused in some way by other films

So I tried getting into the show, maybe I was just in the wrong headspace for it, but I got really annoyed with the lengthy philosophical expositions. Also some of stuff portrayed struck me as far fetched and weird even given the premise of the show. The whole concept struck me as a little goofy and I felt the show would have benefited form leaning into that more, embracing the campy-ness of the premise and having some more goofy schlock. Not saying abandon the more interesting philosophical stuff but, y'know have some levity. In other words, I found it a bit too po-faced and self-serious.

Meanwhile the movie is in my opinion decent enough 70s slop.

Just my take.