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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this...)

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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 13 points 3 days ago

Finally a use case for "AI": defrauding community colleges.

sigh

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 21 points 4 days ago (6 children)

don't want to spam the stubsack with US politics but guys I am awfully scared

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 9 points 2 days ago

It's a complete shitshow and very scary, even just looking at it from the outside, can't imagine what it must feel like from the inside. I keep having to remind myself that all these things that currently happen are real.

[–] mountainriver@awful.systems 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It really looks like it's on an awful trajectory.

In my teens I read about how Leo Szilard took a train out of Germany the day after the Nazis took power. Passed the border before border checks had time to come into force. Seemed obvious then, now I am all to aware of the problems of such a "simple" plan and the ties that binds you, not least family. And of course not knowing in advance how bad it will be, until after. And not knowing if you jump from the ashes and land in the fire, lots of countries are on the same trajectory but further back. Fascism is yet again the choice, the owners choice in the face of climate change.

I'm rambling and it's late. Sympathies and solidarity.

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Even with a lot of resources and options and money, and not a lot to tie me down, I have been working to move out of the US since January and it'll take me at least two more months before I actually manage it (longer if my first attempt falls through). It is a lot. Lots of work, lots of waiting, and lots of fretting along the lines of "oh my gosh what am I even doing", lots of trying to figure out where I fit in the world after I've rejected my homeland in my heart.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 14 points 3 days ago

Yeah, it is fucking scary. My sympathies and solidarity. Small thing, perhaps a good reminder for everybody to check their opsec (esp if you are an administrator of things, check which data you do not need, or should not fall into the current (or future) us/other fascist administrations hands. And remember while spying on Americans by the various orgs is illegal, trading for information on them with other countries is not. Don't forget backups). It is horrible that it has come to this. One small point of light is that they are fools and can't shut up or be subtle. At least that has a chance to motivate more people to do something, which if it gets to the worst (and it is getting close) more people will actually resist (sadly a lot of people will have to realize that the point becomes not to win, but to impose costs/friction, and any wins are a bonus, which is a horrible realization in itself). Really hope this doesn't make things worse mentally btw.

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I hear you! If like me you have ever worried that you are overreacting; know that you are not. I have no idea how so many of my coworkers can just treat this all as politics as usual.

My heart breaks for the civilians rounded up and treated as terrorists without due process.

Being transgender I am acutely aware of how close I am to the top of the US autocracy's public enemy list. This is self serving but since January I've been working on getting while the getting is good (plus, I hate that my taxes go to the current federal government).

Me and my three siblings (a librarian, a researcher, and a med student) are all worried for our futures for different reasons; which is statistically just kind of impressive!

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 10 points 3 days ago

I can only offer my solidarity and sympathies. If I were still living in the US, I’d probably have started taking firearms training and bought some by now.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Solidarity from TN

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

LessWronger puts in the work and determines that LLMs can't spacially vizualize for shit, comments are like "well you're prompting it wrong" (paraphrased) as well as "why not pay experiences machinists to videotape what they're doing os their work can be automated"

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/r3NeiHAEWyToers4F/frontier-ai-models-still-fail-at-basic-physical-tasks-a#comments

The article itself is worth reading for some insights in the challenges of using current "AI" (LLMs) to work in the real world.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

“why not pay experiences machinists to videotape what they’re doing os their work can be automated”

none of these people had a job in manufacturing, or even possibly any real job, it's called CNC and there are way better tools for making it work than stochastic parrot

e: ok at least op is a machinist

Interestingly, many of these models also score at or above the level of some human experts on visual reasoning benchmarks like MMMU. That which is easy to measure often doesn't correlate with real world usefulness.

benchmarks could be perhaps possibly fucked with? say it aint so!

My high level impression when reading the response is “someone who can parrot textbook knowledge but doesn’t know what they’re talking about”.

with corpus consisting of toy problems only, and with solutions that depending on field can kill whoever uses these

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 11 points 3 days ago (6 children)

The fact this commenter doesn't mention the absolute fuckton of machining videos on Youtube tells me they're just talking out of their ass.

(not that forcing those into LLM slop would help but a hypothetical AGI would learn a lot)

Also

Dario Amodei, CEO of Anthropic, recently worried about a world where only 30% of jobs become automated, leading to class tensions between the automated and non-automated. Instead, he predicts that nearly all jobs will be automated simultaneously, putting everyone "in the same boat."

Dario is delusional. We don't even have self driving cars outside of a very small, very expensive demo in SF

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I feel like there was time when nerds who hung out on blogs didn't automatically believe everything a CEO said.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 4 points 2 days ago

take us back!

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 9 points 2 days ago

We don’t even have self driving cars outside of a very small, very expensive demo in SF

at 1.5 totally-not-drivers per car, we don't have them there eithe

I've got to acknowledge the sheer guts it takes to look at arguably the most predictable consequence of the cyberpunk dystopia you're building and say "nah that won't happen because reasons."

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago

Clearly self-driving teslas just need to mill their path through pedestrians

[–] cstross@wandering.shop 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

@gerikson I'd like to see him automating bed-turning a frail 90 year old in a nursing home so she doesn't get bed sores (ulcers—open wounds from lying on a creased sheet or just in the same position for too long). A 90yo with cognitive impairment who's scared of robots.

[–] jonpsp@mstdn.social 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

@cstross @gerikson This doesn't sound promising: "A growing body of evidence is finding that robots tend to end up creating more work for caregivers"

https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/01/09/1065135/japan-automating-eldercare-robots/

In each case, existing social and communication-­oriented tasks tended to be displaced by new tasks that involved more interaction with the robots than with the residents. Instead of saving time for staff to do more of the human labor of social and emotional care, the robots actually reduced the scope for such work.

That's legitimately chilling. I guess just like quality of art and writing is too hard to quantify against "efficiency" and "productivity" so is quality of care. The slow AIs are literally optimizing humans out of the economy before our eyes and the people who were most afraid of being turned into paperclips are the ones leading the goddamn charge.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 11 points 3 days ago

amazement at chatbots comes from demographic that did not binge watch how it's made in middle school

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

New piece from Tante: These are not the same, arguing that the infrastrucure left after AI bubble's burst will leave infrastructure which will be actively damaging to a democratic society.

Its not the first piece I've seen about the bubble's potential aftermath (that goes to MAIHT3K), but it does give another perspective on it.

[–] jaschop@awful.systems 13 points 3 days ago

I can see tante's point. Besides AI datacenters being used for surveillance tech, I can also see LLM tech itself used nefariously post-bubble. Maybe maintaining an up-to-date LLM as a product is not viable, but a custom-trained model to snipe public online discourse around a crucial election could remain affordable for a wealthy fascist.

On the bright side, I am hoping for a brief period of powerful yet affordable gaming PCs thanks to retrofitted, slightly singed Blackwells.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean, what has crypto left over? All of that is only useful for sanctions busting and money laundering

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 8 points 2 days ago

And Bukele, two best buds and their gilded fascism

[–] maol@awful.systems 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Noted sex pest Andrew Cuomo wants to run for Mayor in New York, and he might actually have a chance given the incumbent Democratic candidate is corruption magnet Eric Adams. Housing is a big issue in New York, so what's Cuomo's plan? Well, his plan is to use chat gpt to write his plan.

Angry New York Democrats were using the slogan DREAM meaning Don't Rank Eric Adams for Mayor. It was then amended to Don't Rank Eric or Andrew for Mayor, and amended again to Don't Rank Evil Andrew for Mayor.

[–] corbin@awful.systems 5 points 2 days ago

I encourage NYC neighbors to spread the idea of deranking. It worked in Portland. We had an exceptionally shitty candidate:

Once touted as the law and order candidate, Gonzalez was the only mayoral candidate cited for breaking the law during the 2024 election cycle.

We pushed to derank him. And the result:

… Gonzalez was the subject of an effort to convince voters not to rank him regardless of the voter's other preferred candidates. Gonzalez earned 20% of first ranked choices but ultimately finished the election in third place …

[–] maol@awful.systems 7 points 3 days ago

Update: another acronym.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

eric adams should change his platform to “I’m not cuomo”

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I dunno, how's the "I'm not Donald Trump" platform been working out so far?

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 10 points 3 days ago

Well. I don’t want adams to win

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Today in relevant skeets:

::: spoiler transcript Skeet: If you can clock who this is meant to be instantly you are on the computer the perfect amount. You’re doing fine don’t even worry about it.

Quoted skeet: 'Why are high fertility people always so weird?' A weekend with the pronatalists

Image: Egghead Jr. and Miss Prissy from Looney Tunes Foghorn Leghorn shorts.

[–] aninjury2all@awful.systems 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Word of advice to the press: Stop 👏 giving 👏 natalists 👏 free 👏 platforms 👏

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Every 3 months! Every 3 months fucking hell. (I know because last time they came in the news I opened a tab with them in it, and their faces was the last I saw before my monitor exploded, like literally suddenly I sat in darkness.

[–] maol@awful.systems 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

All I've learned from the most recent round of publicity is that herself has a new hat. It looks stupid

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

A new hat let me check almost clicks wait a minute, I can't afford a new monitor, you are trying to trick me!

[–] maol@awful.systems 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Just close your eyes and imagine a mediaeval yokel who has accused her sister's girlfriend of being a witch so she can take over her turnip patch. No need for a new monitor

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 10 points 4 days ago (3 children)

ZITRON DROPPED

New piece from Ed Zitron - a 44-minute read about OpenAI's threat to the entire tech industry

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

If OpenAI’s funding round with Softbank goes as planned, it’ll raise the equivalent of the entire GDP of Estonia — a fairly wealthy country itself, and one that’s also a member of Nato and the European Union. That alone should give you a sense of the truly insane scale of this.

so not only saltman is capable of burning enough power to be comparable to middle-sized euro country, he can also burn small euro country gdp

they are not serious people. damn if i only started grifting instead of getting socially useful skillset

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[–] dgerard@awful.systems 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

COMMERCIAL NOTICE: Pivot to AI now has T-shirts! yeah, I sorted out Redbubble. Also does mugs and stuff. All proceeds go to a worthy cause, i.e. me.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Clippy with those bedroom eyes

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 4 points 2 days ago

realy, who doesn't want to fuck Clippy

(looks around nervously)

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