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Attorneys for Luigi Mangione asked a judge to stop federal prosecutors from seeking the death penalty against their client, saying the U.S. government "intends to kill Mr. Mangione as a political stunt."

The motion filed Friday in the U.S. District Court of the Southern District said U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi ordered the death penalty to "carry out President Trump's agenda to stop violent crime and Make America Safe Again."

Mangione, 26, who faces state murder and terrorism charges in New York, along with federal murder and stalking charges, is accused of murdering United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson last year in New York City.

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 201 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Unproven accusatory public statements by AG Bondi against currently completely innocent Luigi Mangione (in a normal world) should undermine the case against him.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 102 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I’m no legal expert but to reasonable court this should be worthy of a miss trial. How can you hold an impartial trial under the circumstances?

Is this even the guy who did it? There is an enormous potential for scapegoating in this case.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago

I don't think the judge will agree with you on this, although of course it remains to be seen. Police and prosecutors often make some statements, but the reality is that many potential jurors aren't watching the news. For example, I didn't know about this particular statement until I read this article.

Of course almost everyone knows about Luigi himself. That's not what I'm saying. But if the claim is that a third party government statement has jeopardized the possibility of him getting a fair trial on a death penalty case, that seems to be factually dependent on who's on the jury and what they saw.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 166 points 1 week ago (3 children)

There’s a guy who killed 23 people in a Walmart in El Passo in 2022. Got charged with hate crimes on account of…he’s openly racist and said that’s why he did it.

That guy just got a plea deal to avoid the death penalty.

Nobody should identify the criminal justice system in America as anything else but a mechanism for protecting the rich.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 week ago (14 children)

The death penalty is ethically wrong to me because you can't trust the system 100%, even in the best case. Death row inmates have been exonerated with additional evidence, or just better processing of existing evidence, or other reasons. Unless the judicial system is 100% accurate (which, spoiler, it neither is nor possibly can be), you introduce the possibility of executing innocent people, which should be abhorrent to everyone.

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[–] Rogue@feddit.uk 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I've seen this case mentioned a few times but isn't this standard practice? Don't they always use the threat of the death penalty to encourage people to take a plea deal?

[–] Sludgeyy@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, they convince people not to get their whole trial(s) by threatening to kill them.

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[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 9 points 1 week ago

What was Luigi's plea offer? I don't think he was offered one.

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[–] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 142 points 1 week ago (7 children)

The case against him is so phony. None of the “evidence” is admissible. There’s a ton of prejudicial statements from the investigators and the prosecutors.

This trial is a sham.

The charges should be dismissed with prejudice.

It is so railroaded by no longer believe Luigi did it.

They’re just pinning it on him as a show to the elites that they are putting on a show for the poors : if you kill one of us we’ll kill you right back.

[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 63 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ok, I'll take that deal. One of us for one of them. They'll run out faster. I can volunteer first if You let me take out Musk.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 29 points 1 week ago

They wanted to act quick to nip it because people got so happy when that cunt got his comeuppance. It’s gonna backfire

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

thats why there have been superfluous amount of charges, hopefully they can convince at elast 1 jury group to convict on something. by the way, witty dint even bat an eye he got killed, the head CEO of UHG, neither did hemsley BOD. the wife is estranged from him, and , we discussed on reddit since they are seperate she wont have to fight him on Divorce battle in court.

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 74 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (14 children)

Remember, if you're selected for jury duty and you know what Jury Nullification is, NO, YOU DO NOT.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 28 points 1 week ago

Jury Nullification? I've never heard of it, never once, not even in that popular CPG Grey video.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Off topic, so sorry about that... but is there a list of people maintained somewhere that will absolutely never be called for jury duty? If so, I suspected that I'm on it. I thought that by now (age 41), I'd have at least gotten a summons or something to show up at least once. I've never even been asked to show up.

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[–] middlemanSI@lemmy.world 67 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Either it's make america great or safe again, the "america" is never the citizens, it's always the 1%, notice that?

[–] courageousstep@lemm.ee 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Definitely. Things politicians say make a lot more sense when you realize that code speak.

It kind of always has been this way. “The people,” “Americans,” “White people,” etc have always been defined arbitrarily, and always in American history have referred to wealthy landowners who adhered to a puritan work ethic and a supposed “Anglo-Saxon” culture.

[–] takeda@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's so sad seeing the poor and lower middle class thinking that it is about them.

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[–] Rosscameron@lemmy.world 67 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Feels like this case is less about justice and more about setting an example—whether that’s political or public theater. Death penalty or not, the timing and narrative definitely feel curated.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

it was apparent it was more political, and example the moment the witchhunt began. especially with the clown adams escorting his perpwalk.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago

The first time i saw that perp walk photo, it had a caption like "Jesus walking to appear before Pilate, accompanied by the Roman Praetorian Guard." And that was EXACTLY what it looked like.

I love it when their clumsy propaganda gets stolen by the Resistance.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago

Absolutely. This will be a show trial that will eclipse even the OJ trial, and will lead to a lot of civil unrest, whether he's found guilty or not.

[–] Cocopanda@futurology.today 62 points 1 week ago (2 children)

We the people should just nullify any jury and break our boy out. Fuck the police. They would kill anyone given the opportunity.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 23 points 1 week ago

Nah, then he's a fugitive forever.

All that is required is for one juror to say that they cant identify him from the shooting video, so they have reasonable doubt, and stand on the courage of their convictions (a poor word choice in this context, but all i could think of).

They would have to also reject the supposed corroborating "evidence" as well, like DNA they found at the scene, but there is a high likelihood that was planted, certainly high enough that there is reasonable doubt there as well. Nobody trusts NYC cops, or the Sociopathic Oligarchs who are demnding justice for one of their own, who is a Corporate Serial Killer for Profit, responsible for the deaths and suffering of thousands of people who purchased his fraudulent service/ product. They will pay anything to send a message to the poors to stay in line, and do what they are told.

If i was a juror, i could easily find him not guilty, and it wouldn't even be jury nullification. Its just an incredibly weak case, built on propaganda.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You're out of your mind if you think they'll let that happen.

State court there's some room, but federal court is entirely different, the judge has far more power to steer the trial and can kick jurors out because he feels like it.

Most likely he'll have an 'accident' in prison, get epsteined, this is a horrifying precedent for them and they have the power to send a message.

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[–] primemagnus@lemmy.ca 61 points 1 week ago (5 children)

State murder. Federal murder. Stalking lol. Why not slap him with jaywalking fine for good measure.

Christ this dude is going to get railroaded so hard.

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (13 children)

I want absolutely fucking everyone to stop calling it an assassination.

Words have meaning.

This was a murder. Let's not elevate CEOs to the status of the House.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] foggy@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Oh, no.

Dude was murdered.

We just don't know who did it. :)

Not til proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of their (also healthcare deprived) peers.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No way was that guy murdered, i saw the video, he just collapsed after someone pointed at him.

I'm guessing he had a pre-existing allergy to lead.

[–] FancyPantsFIRE@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago

Yeah but he was an asshole which was a pre-existing condition, so we’re going to have to deny murder coverage here.

[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

But luigi didn't do it. He was with me playing video games in altiona

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Who said Luigi????

Not me!

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[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (14 children)

By definition, it was an assassination.

Assassination is the willful killing, by a sudden, secret, or planned attack, of a person—especially if prominent or important. It may be prompted by political, ideological, religious, personal, financial, or military motives.

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[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago (6 children)

They want to silence him, but I don't think they will be able to.

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[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago

If he gets sentenced to dearh, this country absoluteIy will not be "safe again".

I'm not trying to instigale anything. Just making a logical prediction in minecraft.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

He won’t be getting a jury of his peers. It will be a corrupt kangaroo court

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