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[–] bss03@infosec.pub 7 points 4 months ago (18 children)

Yes, I will cycle 15 miles (one-way) to the nearest produce section.

I'm all for bikes in sufficiently urban areas, but they are never going to be reasonable for 90% of America (by land mass, not population).

We need passenger train service (or other mass transit) that can cover lower density areas and still be reliable. (There's active train tracks within 100m of both my driveway and the produce section, so for me a passenger train would be ideal.)

[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I would love to be able to ride trains to get places and not have to drive everywhere.

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't dislike driving, but if I could fit my schedule around public transit, I think I'd prefer that, most of the time.

[–] newaccountwhodis@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

Good public transit would be so frequent you wouldn't need to fit your schedule around it. I live in a place with passable public transit and I never check schedules before leaving the house. I wait 10 mins max (I'm still annoyed sometimes tho)

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Okay, so counterpoint: In a lot of ways, the EU is like a country. And it’s a large one - maybe not quite the US’s size, but big. And much of it is bike friendly.

No, people don’t traverse the mountains in their little hand-me-down red bike. But they don’t often traverse those mountains every month anyway. And when they do, trains exist for that.

So this exposes not a landmass problem, but an urban planning problem. It is the easiest thing in the world to stand in the middle of an 8-lane stroad in the boonies, where people are waiting 5 minutes to traverse two blocks of traffic lights to get to the quarter-square-mile parking lot outside their coffee shop, praying you’re not killed as you wait for the walk signal, and scream at the top of your lungs “What in the everloving fuck is the point of all this?” And it would be a family-friendly exasperation since it would be drowned out by engine noise.

We can build about 8 new walking-friendly cities in the space taken up by one goddamn McDonald’s parking lot.

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[–] eluvinar@szmer.info 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

people who live in 90% of the least densely populated land on earth are... not that many people in the grand scheme of things.

And if you live close enough to civilization to have utilities like power maybe it's possible to also have a grocery store that's closer than average distance between towns in germany. Might even be beneficial idk.

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[–] Mouette@jlai.lu 4 points 4 months ago (8 children)

15 mile with an electric bike and good infrastructure that let you go fast is doable. And electric bike is already so much better than a car because it weight much less and as such consume much less. But I agree overall it does not replace a train because people won't cycle when it rains.

[–] eluvinar@szmer.info 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'd rather cycle when it rains than get a train, assuming it's not like 3 hours in a freezing temperature watching cars go by while I'm stuck at cyclists-only red light.

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[–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

All I need now is the knowledge, sense of balance, and confidence to ride a bicycle

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago

My country runs courses for adults to learn how to bike - maybe yours does the same?

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 months ago

The more you ride, the better you get. Try include cycling into your exercise, and within a year you should be better with it.

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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Even if you need/prefer an ebike you get about 85 ebike batteries out of one Nissan leaf not even a powerful e-car the most pedestrian one.

[–] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago (19 children)

I can’t see this taking off in my city. It’s tropical here and during the colder months it’s in the 80s.

People are not going to cycle to work because they will be drenched in sweat by the time they arrive.

[–] WarlordSdocy@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago (4 children)

That's why you need it in combination with public transit. Even if it's 90-100 degrees I can go for a bike ride for at least 10 minutes as long as I can keep moving and keep the air blowing on me. And I'm not even really in good shape. So as long as you can bike to a bus or train stop in a fairly short time, then hop on that where there's air conditioning, then ride for a while, and eventually take another short bike ride to your work, then it should be fine. Of course during heat waves having a car as back up is definitely good or just to use during the hotter months also works and would go a long way to reducing green house gas emissions from either driving an ICE car or from the energy you use for your electric car.

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[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's the same everywhere though, and people who commute to work tend to have facility in their office(if they work there) to help with that. Else i heard some people wipe it down with baby wipe. If they work blue collar like me then what's to worry?

Also ebike(class 1) help tremendously and also help keep you healthy.

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