The PvP game landscape is just really sad at this point. I have been playing some Deadlock with friends and there's a cheater almost every other game. It's mindboggling to me how there are so many people that would pay money just to ruin the game for everyone else.
this post was submitted on 07 Apr 2025
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I've been on the internet since before the web. Those guys have always been there.
Yeah but there way more prevalent now.
It's really depressing that so many people cannot handle losing in a video game. I avoid PvP games now because there's no game that isn't filled with cheaters and rage quitters.
Rocket League doesn't have cheaters. Everything is handled server side, so they would literally have to hack the server to cheat.
Plenty of rage quitters, though. I blame the fact that video games are not like real sports and do fuck all to teach any kind of sportsmanship.
That's not true at all. People figured out how to get nexto bot to play for them in ranked games. I haven't heard about it in a while so they might have fixed it.
There are also invisible car exploits. Also network connection manipulation. These cheaters rank up super fast so 99% of players won't experience them, but there are absolutely cheaters.
Lol you didnt bother reading the article at all.
It's a blog post about a dude who wrote his own coloraimbot and theorizing that AI could work a similar way. It didn't talk about anything I mentioned, and it's not even actual news. Unless you believe a pixel reading aimbot could actually be used in Rocket League to... Do what exactly?
Did you read it?
Nice try to backtrack and bullshit.
Rocket League doesn't have cheaters. Everything is handled server side, so they would literally have to hack the server to cheat.
This entire paragraph shows not only that you did not bother to read the article but you have no idea what you are talking about. Go read the article.
Why would it be? The neglected generation that got used to spending their parents money on micro transactions and spewing left and right "i hope you get cancer and fkn die" has grown up to spending their parents money on cheats and spewing left and right "haha you suck, kys".
It was unavoidable. Can't even blame the parents who're too busy working the equivalent of 2-3 jobs in order to stay afloat. It's just a shitty development of current society that will wreck us for generations to come.
I’d argue the death of community run servers did more harm than micro transactions.
Back in the day you’d have at least one admin in the lobby taking out the trash.
All of the old Unreal Tournanent servers with crazy mods
The incentives for charging real money include "losing feels awful." If you're genuinely going ha ha, good game, congrats, then that's psychological manipulation that was left on the table. The studio demands that developers leverage more agony into that defeat. It'll keep people playing until they eke out a win, and then that win is so juiced with positive signalling, they'll immediately want another.
Hear hear! I remember when this cool new service called Xbox Live hit the market. I was stoked to play Halo 2 against anyone that wasn't in my small hometown. It was fun for about a week, and then i started to realize that this is just the worst people, all shoved into a small space. And then, the pregame lobbies went the way of COD, and i slowly started to phase out of online gaming.
It's why i emulate Sega and NES games these days. They're finished, i can play games i never got to back in the day, and no squeakers reporting on last night's coitus with me ma. I'm truly missing the "gaming experience."
Thinking about how gaming has changed, for better and worse, always makes me feel old.
Didn't happen to my kid, but then I did raise her right. I guess it is avoidable afterall.
I remember cheats playing cs 1.6
Cheaters have always been there.
I also remember that it was kind of fun sometimes?
I've never been a competitive person. So ranks mean nothing to me. So when a cheater was in the room it felt like a Boss in dark souls. Hard and unfair to beat, but when you did you felt the reward of hard work. I didn't care about dying 100 times, I lived for killing that player just one time.
I remember when Fall Guys came out, there was often a blatant cheater in the matches just flying around in the air skipping all obstacles. But then something beautiful would happen during team games. Through an entirely unspoken agreement, any team that got matched up with the cheater would self sabotage and intentionally lose so that the cheater would get out.
Nothing was more heartwarming than seeing the entire team standing around a giant ball, refusing to let it move, while the cheater flailed around in vain trying to knock it away.
there was often a blatant cheater in the matches just flying around in the air skipping all obstacles
Like, flying with control? Because you can usually get yourself flung hella hard over everything on some levels if they have spinning whackers. With skill you can do it purposely to shoot yourself straight into the finish line.
Yes, flying with control. As in, hovering 6ft off the ground able to move wherever they wanted. Very different from getting flung by obstacles or physics collisions.
I've played a bunch of Deadlock but I haven't suspected anyone of cheating yet, what are you seeing?
Lots of blatant aimbotting. I've had vindictas and wraiths that snap onto my head and laser me, with enemies that confirm while spectating "oh yeah that person's cheating"
Lame, I knew they were out there but I guess I'm lucky I haven't witnessed anything that blatant yet.
I've kind of given up on the idea of playing those types of competitive online games, not just because of people cheating in them but also because of how the community these days addresses cheating, by witch-hunting and accusing people of cheating for being too good, or for sucking at the game, or for having opinions on surveillance and security (sometimes just because for being queer). They also often harass these people they target. I have hundreds of toxic assholes on Steam blocked for this behavior alone because they came to my profile to harass me.
I stopped online gaming as well a couple of years ago, and my life got so much better for it. Turns out the relaxation of playing online games was stressful and toxic as hell. I've been exclusively playing single player games since, and it has been a vastly improved experience relaxing with games.
There are a handful of online games I do like to play, generally ones without competitive elements, and I limit online gaming to people I actually know. But yeah most of the games I do play are single-player.
I've given up because of time. I do not have that much time to game and when games started to hide better weapons and gear behind paywalls and progression systems that will take several hundreds of hours to complete, it sucks. So you're fighting against those 14year olds who have spend an ungodly amount of time on the game and have better gear and that is not a good experience
This is why I avoid PvP at all costs in a game
Game theory suggests implementing aim-assist officially.
Like if you hold RMB, then within an onscreen circle, your crosshair drifts toward the most-central enemy at like one pixel per frame. It's not twitchy. It doesn't cancel inaccuracy. It won't help you get past silver. But if you're just plain bad, it's a zero-stress way to dial in on someone's backside in a long hallway. It lets you hold an angle just by being in the right place and looking the right way. It fights recoil when you don't know the pattern. It prevents you from fumbling a free opportunity.
It is a set of training wheels for mechanics any able-bodied person will obviously be ten times better at if they put in the work.
More importantly - it's enough to make skeezy alternatives worthless. Yeah, cheaters would prefer their crosshairs teleport to the other guy's skull, but that's detectable even without spyware. They've merely settled for this kind of... inverse arms race. Making the dishonest advantage shite enough that people don't even suspect you. They'd settle for even less, if "even less" was risk-free and cost nothing.
Feel free to dome these people when they walk out of smoke halfway through a reload animation. That's how learning occurs.
once, in a game of titanfall 2, there was an aimbotter. i was sorta outperforming them, which felt cool. I figured cheaters probably have their own frustrations so i was just nice and friendly and they kinda calmed down, apologized for using cheats, said they were having a bad day, and we all played normally. felt like a real gamer moment.
didnt keep in touch, hope they're having less bad days now.
Because I very rarely play multiplayer?
Anyone know how halo pvp is these days? Thinkin about goin back to playin that.