Luigi Mangione Wants a Laptop in Jail So He Can Review '15,000 Pages' of Evidence : luigimangione

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

How can there be 15,000 pages of evidence?

Even massive engineering projects have fewer pages of total documentation than that.

What could they possibly have that's 15,000 of actual information and not just superfluous attachments?

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The discovery information includes more than 15,000 pages of information and 800 GB of data, per the filing.

Meanwhile they're letting rape kits rot in some locker in some room that hasn't had a light turned on ever since the only employee that has a key retired 3 years ago

No number of gigabytes can make up for the fact that Luigi isn't the guy who shot the guy

[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago

I can't say if he was involved or not but I fully agree that the shooter's eyes look nothing like Luigi, the jackets and backpacks don't match and the image they showed the public of Luigi smiling at the counter of some shop was 3 miles away from the shooting. He isn't the guy who pulled the trigger.

[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 11 points 3 days ago

The accused have a right under the Constitution to review and challenge the evidence against them. In the modern world that evidence is in a digital format. It's completely reasonable that Luigi should have access to a computer to review the evidence against him. It doesn't need to have internet access and he doesn't necessarily need to have it in his cell. He can review the evidence in the prison library while supervised buy prison staff.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 4 days ago

Mangione's jailmate at MDC, Sean "Diddy" Combs, was granted access to a laptop in December to review discovery in his case; the hip hop mogul is accused of sex trafficking by federal prosecutors.

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[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 154 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'll allow it.

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago

"Good, because I approve."

[–] Atronin@sopuli.xyz 72 points 4 days ago

I'm sure they'll be very cooperative and fair with their approach to the case, especially while Luigi's lawyer is constantly mentioning how the prosecution is obstructing their work in every way they can.

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 38 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Some jails offer tablets to every inmate, so this isn't an unreasonable request to make at all. Locked down tablets with walled garden internet access, of course, but still better than nothing.

[–] hefty4871@lemmy.ca 21 points 4 days ago

A laptop at the facility is not entirely uncommon, according to Sam Mangel, prison consultant currently working with other inmates at the same facility hosting Mangione.

Mangel echoed the defense's note in the filing that other prisoners have access to laptops, which are disconnected from the internet to comply with federal prison regulations.

"There's a procedure for doing this, but it is not difficult," Mangel tells PEOPLE.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 7 points 3 days ago

It would be really funny if they say no, but allow it in paper.

[–] RymrgandsDaughter@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

It's 15000 pages of evidence for his alibi

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 3 days ago

Even he just wanted it for porn, I say let him jork it.

[+] jaybone@lemmy.world -98 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I want a laptop at Starbucks so I can review the two DMs from the girl who blocked me on OnlyFans.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 82 points 4 days ago

The thing is, he has a right to review evidence that's going to be used against him. If that cannot feasibly be done with boxes of paper, because of jail policies, then a laptop may be necessary.

Either that or the prosecution needs to clarify that some of the papers they provided as a Brady requirement are not going to be used in court. Because that's what this really is. The prosecution wants to spam the defense with a ton of documents to keep secret which ones they actually plan on using, which ones they actually think might be exculpatory. And in general judges give prosecutors a lot of latitude to do this because you can't be sure what you're going to use until the case actually gets to trial. But there does become a point when it's absurd and I think 15,000 pages is around that point.

[+] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world -97 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

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[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 76 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I’m honestly not sure. They arrested a buff Italian American who was justifiably unhappy with the us healthcare system, but I don’t know if it’s the right one.

I don’t trust cops not to plant evidence, so everything they report they found on him is moot for me; the eyebrows don’t look the same to me (though both are bushy); and there’s a markedly different level of planning and professionalism that went into the shooting and the purported escape plan.

Regarding the organizational differences: he 3d prints an untraceable gun and then brings it with him over state lines!? If he thinks he’ll need a gun after the fact, just make another, he’s literally got (access to) a printer. It’s probably smarter to use a different design or just get a normal gun, just don’t use it for the shooting. It’s wild to me that he went to all the trouble of getting an untraceable weapon, only to not use the most significant benefit of that by dumping the weapon at/close to the scene. What was the point? They don’t keep ballistic signatures of registered guns on file unless they’ve already been implicated in a crime, so if you plan to keep the gun anyway, just use that.

Of course, he could have panicked and/or gone into shock afterwards and scuppered his plan. That’s not impossible or even super unlikely, which is why I’m not sure one way or the other. Though I really don’t see a match on the eyebrows

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 34 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I think, frankly, it’s fair to point out that an intelligent engineer thinking about doing this sort of thing would almost certainly devise a way to destroy the printed gun after the fact, and that such a thing could be easily done in a half hour with a MAPP torch and a spare bottle or two. It’s resin. It will melt. And any remaining metallic parts can be easily ditched in some random storm drain at some point in the hundreds of miles between where the adjustment occurred and where the other Mario brother was arrested. And to conveniently keep a manifesto on your person in that context just seems comically implausible. Based on that, in addition to other data points, I am reasonably confident that he is in fact an innocent man being railroaded.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago (2 children)

And to conveniently keep a manifesto on your person in that context just seems comically implausible. Based on that, in addition to other data points, I am reasonably confident that he is in fact an innocent man being railroaded.

Honestly, I've been thinking along similar lines. None of this makes sense outside of a guy being railroaded.

[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

A manifesto that praises the police

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And one that reads like someone who's trying too hard to sound smart, which isn't something actually smart people do, but apparently is how cops often sound in their reports

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

A manifesto that sounds like someone asked chatGPT to generate a short manifesto expressing displeasure at the American healthcare system

[–] monarch@lemm.ee 15 points 4 days ago

I'm of the opinion that he's ethier being railroaded or they used something very illegal to find him.

[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Thermite is cheap and easy to make. Melt a gun with half a pound of thermite and no one will know what it was before it was vaporized. Besides, if the gun was indeed 3D printed and had no finger prints or DNA on it, you could just drop it on top of the body and let the police have it. Better than getting caught with it a block away from the crime scene.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

All fair points. And it’s further illustrating the fact that something is very fucking fishy

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, 100% I think he would have a deadman’s switch on an online post for a manifesto, given his past. If he were planning to go completely underground without internet access, I don’t think he would have gone to a McDonald’s so soon afterwards. Again, he could have panicked, but by all accounts, he’d spent the last few months living rough, so that wouldn’t be a shock for him.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Right??? Who the fuck would keep a hard copy on hand…? Like… what…?

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's the part that bugs me the most. It's not just that he had a hard copy, it's not just that he had it on hand, it's that he had a hard copy on hand. The point of a manifesto isn't to let it sit in your car next to the murder weapon you used 3 days ago, the point is to have other people read it.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

He’s an apparently intelligent and articulate software engineer… and he keeps a hard copy… of his manifesto… on his person…? Knowing it would be wildly incriminating? Like, come on. Also, the tone and diction of “his” manifesto seems a liiiiiiiiiittle off to me compared to written correspondences he’s had with people since being imprisoned that have been posted online.

TL;DR I don’t buy what the NY DA is selling here, for a LOT of reasons.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And any remaining metallic parts can be easily ditched in some random storm drain

That same mapp torch and a hammer renders them unrecognizable hunks of scrap metal. An acetylene torch turns them into slag.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

Yeah, fair points; all I mean is that an intelligent and rational person would work something like that out pretty much immediately.

[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 48 points 5 days ago

I'm pretty sure Luigi isn't reading this. So you can keep your imaginary conversations with him in your head if you like.

[–] shaggyb@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago

What I think about whether Luigi Mangione is guilty or not is that the health insurance industry is responsible for apocalyptic levels of suffering and death and literally everyone in the United States is a victim of AT LEAST the constant psychological torture of being programmed to value their wealth over their lives when every single one of them knows that it is an active choice by avaricious executives and shareholders to sacrifice their well-being and that of their families and loved ones for the continued wealth accumulation of those executives and shareholders not to mention the actual suffering and death that results of the deliberate, conscious, informed choice by those in power to withhold healthcare in order to extract profit from the most vulnerable at the cost of their very lives.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Nah, the video's super inconclusive.

Innocent.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But you see, he kind of looks like another guy that was caught on a surveillance camera the same morning. Another guy, who was wearing visibly different clothes from the shooter

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

You've convinced me.

Dang it.

/s

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 days ago

Nah man, dude was at my place that night.