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Lemmy's design is focused on quality content by ditching the Karma farmers and addicts. No more chasing upvotes—people here actually focus on real value instead of feeding the ego.

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[–] oce@jlai.lu 83 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Visible post and comment scores are still going to produce some of this behavior. You may not have a total karma but people will still get dopamine from seeing their posts getting upvotes and be reinforced in doing the same again. So the same mechanisms of social pressure and uniformisation are at play. The worst being when people delete their minority opinion comments because of the downvote pressure.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 14 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

You can turn vote counts off if you want to.

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 7 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

Down votes mean I am reaching the correct audience for that specific content

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 30 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

Maybe. They might also mean you're an idiot.

Slashdot used to have a multidimensional voting system that would allow you to up or down vote something based on whether it was funny/insightful/correct, etc (can't remember the dimension). I wish we had something like that. Sometimes it would be useful to mark a comment as "funny, but also wrong"

I had a discussion about using the Slashdot style voting rather than the Reddit style.

It not only has the additional tag, it has the max "upvote" display limit of 5, and the display code will expand and promote the best rated comments, while hiding the garbage.

I think comments on most forums would benefit from there being no 'big upvote' number to chase, as well as making the highest rated comments in a thread of say, 200, more obvious.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

No, it was only up or down, but you could also choose to add a descriptor, funny, insightful, informative, flamebait, troll, and a few others: https://slashdot.org/faq#meta3

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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago
[–] henry1917@lemmy.world -1 points 4 hours ago

Honestly, karma is just for getting started on reddit. Certain subreddits, require your account to exist and have a certain amount of karma to "validate" it. I don't think people care about getting karma beyond that point.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 12 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I mean there are upvotes and downvotes so I don't know what you mean. But there isn't a real incentive to have lots of upvotes on here. I'm not even sure why karma farming even is a thing on reddit. Maybe cause you can sell the account to whatever guy wants to buy it?

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I was offered $300 for my Reddit account once lmao

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

Not crazy if you want to advertise on the down low. I worked a summer once doing that shit, it's insidious. Blockers don't even block someone pretending to like a product.

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[–] MemmingenFan923@feddit.org 16 points 11 hours ago

Reddit become more unusable because of the ads, bots, redditors who promote their onlyfans / business.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 22 points 13 hours ago (6 children)

I wish that commenting would automatically upvote a post. It's far too late to fix the use of an upvote as approval of subject discussion and not just an agree arrow, but I often...no, I almost always forget to upvote the initial topic even after leaving a few paragraphs. One would hope whatever algorithm is used also considers activity and number of comments in a rating or suggesting it to others.

[–] Skavau@lemm.ee 16 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, I often just forget to upvote generally. Although this could lead to argumentative posters making troll posts, getting engagement and trending just because people reply to them.

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[–] naught101@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago

There ate multiple algorithms, but I don't think any of them account for both votes and comments.. I might be wrong though.

Tangent: the "scaled* algorithm, which normalises post ranks by the popularity of the community they're posted to, is excellent. I recommend everyone use it as their default.

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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 22 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

There are upvotes and downvotes and they do have some use gauging that content IMO

That being said, without the corporate structure and profit motive to produce a monetizing algo that encourages others to game it to further their own monetizing goals....it's SIGNIFICANTLY better

Up/Down votes aren't inherently bad, Reddit and other corporate platforms corrupt it with their profit chasing

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 17 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

I don't get the karma hangup thing. Like.. Lemmy does have Karma, but we just don't culturally make it a priority.

[–] wittycomputer@feddit.org 15 points 13 hours ago (11 children)

The fact that it's not designed to notify you every time you get 5 upvotes changes the game. Also low Karma accounts can post in Lemmy as opposed to Reddit.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly - Reddit specifically and intentionally uses dark patterns to reinforce the importance of karma at every turn. The first interaction that someone has with Reddit is usually "you don't have enough karma to post/comment/vote in this subreddit." There are secret communities and public awards for high karma earners. There is a frontpage dedicated to rapid karma-earning posts. There is no disincentive for karma farming reposts, and subreddits are actually punished for reducing reposts. Karma is commoditized.

Here the votes still matter, but the algorithm is public and users can and do sort in a variety of ways to discover new and relevant content. There is no single "front-page"

[–] Skavau@lemm.ee 9 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

Unfortunately, on reddit - when subreddits restrict new posters or low karma commenters, they're just trying to mitigate the impact of trolls and bots and people making new accounts. It's not about being elitist.

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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 7 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (4 children)

low Karma accounts can post in Lemmy as opposed to Reddit

But should they?

One of the things I miss about reddit (and slashdot before that) was that if you got downvoted/downmodded a lot in a short amount of time, it would tell you to slow down (, cowboy). It helped to limit the damage when someone would go on a troll spree before they got banned.

Some subreddits did implement a "you must have x karma to post" rule, or account age, which I wasn't always a fan of, especially if it was karma within a certain subreddit. I understand the logic, that it was intended to make people read the community before posting, but I'm not sure if it hit the mark. But it did limit brand-new spam accounts, which are already here on lemmy.

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[–] naught101@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

It doesn't accumulate and display anywhere though, does it?

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[–] rglullis@communick.news 13 points 13 hours ago (18 children)

Ironically, this account's bio and its history is screaming "I am a LLM posting a bunch of AI slop".

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[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 8 hours ago

...what do you think "karma" is?

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