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[–] impudentmortal@lemmy.world 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

How disheartening. I knew going in that there would be privacy issues but I figured for the service it was fine. I also figure my phone is always listening anyway.

As someone with limited mobility, my echo has been really nice to control my smart devices like lights and TV with just my voice.

Are there good alternatives or should I just accept things as they are?

[–] Hexarei@programming.dev 8 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

There aren't any immediate drop in replacements that won't require some work, but there is Home Assistant Voice - It just requires that you also have a Home Assistant server setup, which is the more labor intensive part. It's not hard, just a lot to learn.

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[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 33 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Easy fix: don't buy this garbage to begin with. It's terrible for the environment, terrible for your privacy, of dubious value to begin with.

If every man is an onion, one of my deeper layers is crumudgeon. So take that into account when I say fuck all portable speakers. I'm so tired of hearing everyone's shitty noise. Just fucking everywhere. It takes one person feeling entitled to blast the shittiest music available to ruin everyone in a 500yd radius's day. If this is you, I hope you stub your toe on every coffee table, hit your head on every door jam, miss every bus.

[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 6 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I have a Google home. The only reason I have it is because Spotify gave them away for free back in 2019. It sits unplugged somewhere.

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[–] DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world 50 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

Today: "...they will be deleted after Alexa processes your requests."

Some point in the not-so-distant future: "We are reaching out to let you know that your voice recordings will no longer be deleted. As we continue to expand Alexa's capabilities, we have decided to no longer support this feature."

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 20 points 20 hours ago

“We lied and paid a $3M fine.”

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 20 hours ago

And finally "We are reaching out to let you know Alexa key phrase based activation will no longer be supported. For better personalization, Alexa will always process audio in background. Don't worry, your audio is safe with us, we highly care about your privacy."

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[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 20 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

So... if you own an inexpensive Alexa device, it just doesn't have the horsepower to process your requests on-device. Your basic $35 device is just a microphone and a wifi streamer (ok, it also handles buttons and fun LED light effects). The Alexa device SDK can run on a $5 ESP-32. That's how little it needs to work on-site.

Everything you say is getting sent to the cloud where it is NLP processed, parsed, then turned into command intents and matched against the devices and services you've installed. It does a match against the phrase 'slots' and returns results which are then turned into voice and played back on the speaker.

With the new LLM-based Alexa+ services, it's all on the cloud. Very little of the processing can happen on-device. If you want to use the service, don't be surprised the voice commands end up on the cloud. In most cases, it already was.

If you don't like it, look into Home Assistant. But last I checked, to keep everything local and not too laggy, you'll need a super beefy (expensive) local home server. Otherwise, it's shipping your audio bits out to the cloud as well. There's no free lunch.

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 21 points 21 hours ago

It's always been this way for the cheap speakers. They've no processing power on-board and need the cloud just to tell you the time.

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 8 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I honestly have no idea why anyone who cares even 1% about their privacy would have ever bought one of these abominations in the first place. If I ever receive one as a gift I will burn it with fire.

[–] Jinzul@lemmy.ca 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

I have the things so that I can understand how to protect myself from them. I have a similar thing going on with AI video right now. Hate it but watch the growth to understand it.

[–] trashboat@midwest.social 5 points 16 hours ago

Better yet, crack it open and find a way to load alternative firmware onto it

[–] CuddlyCassowary@lemmy.world 19 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (4 children)

Now they can hear me scream “shut the fuck up Alexa!!!!” every time she says “…by the way…” when I just want to know what time it is.

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (3 children)

Me while cooking mac and cheese for the kids:
"Echo, set timer for 8 minutes"

Echo: "GOOD EVENING [me], SETTING TIMER FOR 8 MINUTES"

No, shut the fuck up and just set the goddamn timer without the extra fluff. I've seen Ex Machina, I know you have no empathy, so knock off the "nice" shit and do what I fucking ask without anything else.

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[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Amazon employee with no piss breaks listening in on my echo:

"How many fucking cats does this guy have? Just chose one name and call it that!"

Edit: "I don't know Jeff, sell him a fucking dr seuss book or something the guys mental."

[–] Lydia_K@lemmy.world 16 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

In the age of techno-fascism, the people willingly pay to install the listening devices into their own homes.

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[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Only a fool would put an Amazon listening device in their home.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world -1 points 7 hours ago

These devices are a great help to the elderly and disabled, and Amazon's offerings are the least expensive. My buddies Mom can call emergency services from anywhere in her home with just her voice. I don't think that's foolish at all.

[–] missandry351@lemmings.world 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

What happens if I buy one and start playing porn on my computer ?

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[–] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago

Always listening AI. I always thought the future would be awesome but capitalism has figured out a way for it to not be that.

[–] yoshisaur@lemm.ee 14 points 22 hours ago

My family has one in most rooms of our house...ugh

[–] modifier@lemmy.ca 7 points 19 hours ago
[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 5 points 18 hours ago

The part that really gets me is that you have to opt out to not have everything you say saved. Bonkers that that isn't the default! There's no good user-based reason for this. Alexa doesn't remember shit for users, like any AI there's no recall feature. You can't say remember what I told you last night - give the address for that place, I was drunk and don't remember the name.

[–] Lennnny@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago

I don't think Google home listens in.

Because I'd absolutely be disappeared by now if it did.

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