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[–] darthelmet@lemmy.world 17 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

Maybe we don’t want to do that again… people have some really short memories.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You need to allow for the possibility that you're surrounded by nazis

[–] foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev 2 points 9 hours ago

they're living within.

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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not getting out of bed for anything less than spices or gold.

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 hours ago

shakes baggie of chiles

[–] witnessbolt@lemm.ee 9 points 10 hours ago

You can do it, Europe. Everyone that cares about "the west" is rooting for you.

[–] missandry351@lemmings.world 3 points 8 hours ago

It’s nazis all over here, that said, it can’t be worse than United States of Gilead right now

[–] McYankee@lemm.ee 13 points 12 hours ago

Cause it worked out so well last time...

[–] scifun@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Perhaps let someone from global south take the controls (if humans even have more than few decades as species)

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago

Like who? Which bloc is economically as large as the EU and is considered a full democracy. Like we’ve seen what happens when an economically powerful nation with a weak democracy becomes a super power.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 54 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

"Become a world power"

You know, we've had that experience before, "everywhere else" would pretty much prefer that didn't happen again, thank you very much.

[–] afronaut@slrpnk.net 25 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

lol yea. I’m an American and fully support other nations boycotting our goods but I’m noticing an overlap with these boycotts and nationalist-imperialist sentiments.

[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 9 points 11 hours ago

THIS; I feel deranged, not hearing anyone else say they've noticed it.

[–] El_Scapacabra@lemm.ee 14 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Weirdly enough, from what I've seen, European nationalists tend to be very much against the EU.

[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 11 points 13 hours ago

That's not entirely true. Europeans tend to dress up racism as national pride and concern for cultural norms (with a few exceptions). So it isn't so much "I'm proud of my country" as "I don't want Arabs and Africans on my street".

A lot of European countries have a long and detailed history that paints a grim picture that most people like to distance ourselves from.

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[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 15 hours ago (6 children)

Seriously. Why do people genuinely think this is a good idea? Colonialism and imperialism is bad.

People should have learned after the US's faults, and overreliance of it due to being a world power; but people just want to do it again???

[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago (21 children)

Yes and no. Countries like Russia and China are always going to exist. That means places like the Philippines, Taiwan, Ukraine, and Georgia are always going to need a strong ally if they don't want to be invaded. There are a lot of countries that are going to be very worried now that America has turned heel (Especially Taiwan). Europe has mostly grown out of the need for constant expansion, so having them take on the role of world police wouldn't be the worst thing to happen.

[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 8 hours ago

"If I don't do it someone else just will"

Classic excuse

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

As an American, yes please, because we can't get our shit together as the mutated, corrupt, idiotic half's monster is running roughshod over our wishy-washy, whiny, "centrist" half's.

[–] Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 hours ago

Half’s what?

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago

They need to poke the planet, then we can all work together to get the fuck off this rock. We've fucked it up enough and there are plenty of planets to mine resources from. Let's all band together for an exit. Then go our separate ways after launch.

[–] dance_ninja@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago

I remember watching Gundam 00 and thinking "man, the US being in a separate power block from Europe sounds crazy!"

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 13 points 15 hours ago

It always has been…

[–] MidWestKhagan@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

You want Europe, the continent that killed and tortured the people of Congo for rubber to become a super power? What in the imperialist scum post is this?

[–] Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 hours ago

(They don’t care about that because it affected non-white people so they don’t care)

[–] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 hours ago

Morons who's world history starts is gapped with biblical bs, Romans, ww2 and that's basically it. They never learned the true horrors of what they did (coming from someone educated in Britian)

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (10 children)

Europe needs to be strong enough to stand on its own at all levels, but I think it's a pretty bad idea for it to become a neo-Imperial power in the style of America.

For all the great things of Democracy, the one thing people forget in their rosy propaganda-tainted view of it (living inside of it, we're constantly bombarde by political messaging about its greatness) is that by definition even the most perfect Democracy only has the duty to represent the will of its citizens, not of people who are not citizens of that Democracy.

So there is no ideological element in Democracy to make it less nasty at exploiting people from other countries than authoritarian regimes.

All this to say that Europe shouldn't get into the business of power projection like the US has done for decades (leaving a long trail of death, suffering and destitution all over the World, especially the Middle East and Latin America).

And I say this as an European and somebody who would stand to gain indirectly from Europe going systematically (it's already done by businesses and some governments in it, just not openly and systematically) into the business of exploiting non-Europeans.

A peacefull when not provoked giant would probably be the best philosphy for a strong Europe, IMHO.

(Edit: for avoidance of doubt I want to state that for me Russia trying to advance westwards by invading Ukraine counts as a provocation)

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 hours ago

please don't try to do this again.

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