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Idk man, the universe is an algorithm.

Everything I did, am doing, and will do, are all part of the algorithm. I have no control. Free will is a lie. Even the act of me typing this comment, is not of my free will. The neurons are making me do it. AH FUCK STOOOOP IT YE FUCKING NEURONS, BAD NEURONS...

Everything is fine, I have free will, disregard everything above, that's the other half of the brain in this body that's being weird.

THERE IS NO FREE WILL

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

You did not choose Lemmy. Lemmy chose you! Accept your fate. Accept Determinism.

[–] Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 23 points 13 hours ago (13 children)

Lemmy doesn't have a recommendation algorithm, yet our feeds are just as bad - if not worse. If your daily interest revolves around reading about U.S. politics, this might not be obvious to you, but for the rest of us, it’s painfully clear. And before you suggest "just avoid political communities" or "stick to your subscription feed," let me assure you that doesn't work. It's not just political communities - it's everywhere. I can't even read articles about space without people injecting their opinions on the CEO of a certain rocket company. Even communities like microblogmemes are beyond salvation. If you limit yourself exclusively to communities where the "no politics" rule is actually enforced, you'll exhaust new content within about two minutes each day.

My point is that the algorithm itself isn't the sole issue. Algorithms can actually be helpful, provided you invest even minimal effort into training them. YouTube doesn't bombard me with politics because it knows I'm not interested. Lemmy’s user base, however, seems so addicted to outrage that outrage inevitably dominates everyone's experience here. If we measure the quality of social media by counting the "regrettable minutes" we've spent there, Lemmy would rank at the absolute bottom. Even Twitter doesn't irritate me as consistently as Lemmy does. I've gone to great lengths setting up content filters to block politics, but even when half my feed is blocked, the majority of what's left is still U.S. politics.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

If you limit yourself exclusively to communities where the “no politics” rule is actually enforced, you’ll exhaust new content within about two minutes each day.

It's almost like US politics are a historic fucking shit show and that affects many other things.

[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

This isn’t my experience at all, maybe I just have curated my subscriptions enough that I don’t see that much. Or maybe it’s just because I’m so used to just tuning out socialist/communist comments on threads that have nothing to do with politics.

It’s also worth noting that Lenny’s algorithms sort by either top (which is just votes), hot (which is based on votes and comments which will surface contentious topics like politics more often), new (which is just when it was posted), and scaled (which is just hot but proportional to the size of the community so it will surface smaller communities more often).

If you sort by hot it’s going to give you a similar feed to Reddit. I prefer to sort by top by 6/12/24hr and by scaled personally.

[–] shasta@lemm.ee -2 points 3 hours ago

I was just thinking about this yesterday. These days, Lemmy is just making me depressed. I like to read comments to get further insight to articles, maybe someone trying to point out the author's bias, or a joke. But Lemmy comments are all some variation of "the world is doomed", "kill this person", or "capitalism is the root of all woe". They are neither useful, insightful, or improve my day in any way. Lemmy is making my life less enjoyable. It was already an overall negative and cynical space during the Biden administration; now it is unbearable.

I've been on Lemmy for a long time now, since Reddit killed 3rd party clients with their API change, but now I think I might go back to Reddit. The company itself has a lot of problems, but at least I can get a lot of non-doom content to fill my day.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 10 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I have blocked any mention of trump and musk, and yet I still know every single stupid thing they do. It's impossible to avoid it.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It's almost like...one is the leader of the richest country in the world and the other is running a government office that's dismantling the government.

Seriously, if you guys were alive in the 1930s or 1940s you'd be there like "I just can't pick up the paper anymore without talk of this Hitler guy!".

[–] Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

That’s the thing - consuming anything even remotely resembling a healthy news diet requires actively avoiding most of it. Unfiltered news consumption means getting firehosed with information to the point of paralysis and depression. I wouldn’t be surprised if even a hermit living in the woods knows the latest about Trump and Musk. There's no way to avoid hearing about them and who ever suggests you can clearly haven't even tried.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

At least part of the problem for me is that the app I am using to access Lemmy isn't really very good. I can block based on keywords in the title but not keywords in the post.

If I really wanted to I could probably find an app with better blocking abilities and try then to see if it's possible to completely block out the US politics, but I'm not massively incentivized to do so. Not being American I don't really get massively riled up about it, I get more upset about my own country's politicians, which most Americans probably have never even heard of.

The greater problem is simply the fact that US content in general seems to get over emphasized in lieu of everything else. There's a whole world of stuff going on out there and all we ever hear about is America. Even when the US has moderately sane leaders that is the case.

I really shouldn't know who the congressman for Texas is, there's no reason I should know that, yet I do. California catches fire, world news, massive flooding in Australia, barely mentioned.

[–] funtonite@lemm.ee 3 points 8 hours ago

I use Voyager and I've blocked a ton of communities, and keywords related to it. I like the blocking functions on there so far. I need to also subscribe to more communities so I can have a better Home feed.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Lemmy is better if you avoid all at least. On local I usually get stuff about Europe a lot more. But subscribed is dwarfed by technology a it's the largest community. Subscribed + scaled list seems to be a fairly good list though.

Might be time to start blocking some too, for my own sanity.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I want a local LLM filtering my feed(s). So I really don’t need to see Elmo and Donald -related stuff.

Simple word filters don’t work, but with a LLM I might be able to make it work

[–] Opinionhaver@feddit.uk -1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Agree. Blocking / keyword based filtering is quite blunt tool. I'd much rather tell AI what I don't want to see and have it analyze the content for me.

[–] mitchty@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 hours ago

This is basically the same thing as what the big platforms do. You’re just offloading the decisions of what to see to a neural network and hope it’s deciding correctly. I’m not sure what a solution would be but I’m not sure I would put my eggs in the llm/ai basket. Not without a lot more details from the models on why they made a decision.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 107 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] thebeardedpotato@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago (5 children)

LOL

I was actually thinking about my experience with Lemmy as I was reading this article, particularly how the scrolling is made to generate rage. I don’t filter my feed and just view “all”, but I don’t think I’ve once walked away from Lemmy not in a bad mood.

Now that may be observation bias or something, or a function of how I don’t tailor my own experience, but regardless, Lemmy leaves me angrier when I leave then when I open the app. I’m trying to cut back and eventually quit.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 45 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Viewing all? Yeah there's your problem. Subscribe to things you want to see, and never even think about the rest.

[–] omxxi@feddit.org 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

and how do you discover new things?

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 4 points 6 hours ago

Once in a while I skim the communities list. Other users make recommendations too.

[–] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 17 points 23 hours ago

It's how I've kept my sanity for years using social media. Sticking to subscribed feed which is hobby/entertainment related stuff, and using aggressive filtering options if I decided to venture into all.

Same when it comes to youtube using newpipe and freetube so I stick to my feed and hiding stuff like trending videos, recommended videos, popular videos, and comments.

Turning a platform into being as minimalistic as possible has been my favorite method of consumption.

[–] Flisty@mstdn.social 8 points 1 day ago

@catloaf @thebeardedpotato I go one further and subscribe to feeds in mastodon (feel a bit like an impostor though 👀

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The scrolling is only made to generate rage if you browse all (your issue) or curate a feed with rage bait 🤷‍♂️ you can fix it in seconds if you want.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 5 points 22 hours ago (6 children)

Setting up my own instance ended up being pretty good for me since it meant I had to manually subscribe to every community I want. The quality of "All" posts depends heavily on the instance you're on.

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[–] spikespiegelssidekick@lemmy.world 64 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I was so fed up with IG and explored mastodon/pixelfed for a bit, and it felt like a lot of weight off my shoulder when looking at the feed(s) knowing that there is no machinery feeding me straightup BS. The "feed" was behaving exactly as it used to during the days when RSS was a thing (remember those?).

like.. wow... I have control over this! and I don't have to spend too much energy filtering off BS. That convinced to explore alternatives like Lemmy.

I joined today. :)

[–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 22 hours ago (6 children)

Welcome! Just FYI, lemmy.world blocks the piracy instance (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

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[–] Captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

He’ll, I still use rss. Newsify!

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world -3 points 8 hours ago

Or you can aggressively tailor them. I still use FB because I enjoy several industry and hobby groups there. With a few FF plugins and proactively closing any ads, FB is completely usable and enjoyable.

Any social media you can’t control like this is definitely problematic, but I haven’t explored too many other platforms to see if they can be tailored. I did abandon Threads because it’s a right wing toxic troll hellhole with a shitty design, so some can’t be “fixed”.

[–] Tregetour@lemdro.id 18 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Has Lemmy ever noticed how much the Anglophone web speaks like advertisers now?

I'm off to Youtube now to watch some content. Gotta get that new content! Thanks to modern networking technologies I'll never run out of content! Does the non-English web do the same? Are the French and Russians and Chinese similarly indoctrinated?

Let's rewrite some Wikipedia entry intros to see our adopted term work its wonders:

Michelangelo di Lodovico Buonarroti Simoni[a] (6 March 1475 – 18 February 1564), known mononymously as Michelangelo,[b][1] was an Italian content creator of the High Renaissance.`

Eric Arthur Blair (25 June 1903 – 21 January 1950) was an English content creator who wrote content under the pen name of George Orwell.[2][3]

Michael Joseph Jackson (August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009) was an American content creator. Dubbed the "King of Content", he is regarded as one of the most significant figures of the 20th century. Over a four-decade career, his content broke racial barriers in America and made him a global figure. Through content, he proliferated visual performance for artists in popular music; popularizing content including the moonwalk (which he named), the robot, and the anti-gravity lean. Jackson is often deemed the greatest content creator of all time based on his content and subscribers.[1]

After watching Content on Youtube I'll probably visit the zoo to marvel at the meat. Then later I might load Pornhub and watch some meat. By then it'll be time for some dinner, so the butcher will fix me up with some meat.

This language demeans all creative endeavour. It trashes our ability to communicate. When read out loud it's infantilising too.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

What's wrong with the word "content"? What word would you use to describe the things shared in places like Lemmy?

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

The Russian web is full of that.

This language demeans all creative endeavour. It trashes our ability to communicate. When read out loud it’s infantilising too.

Yes. It makes it appear as if everything real didn't have any meaning and were just some similar mass, like wine or garum.

While the important people and processes are the middlemen controlling the routes. Or like with USSR, where the real was subject to the administrative and the political.

Since history rhymes, I love how Denmark got absolutely thrashed by Hanseatic cities when it became too dependent on its role as a controller of a big route.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 5 points 17 hours ago

You missed a few terms.. how about “influencer handle” instead of “pen name,” for example?

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yes! Full agree

Continues scrolling lemmy

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Lemmy is not controlled by some sort of curated algorithm. You have full control over the sorting and what goes on your screen in a way that mainstream social media services do not allow.

If you think there’s something addictive or otherwise wrong about your feed, fix it. “The power is yours!”

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Agreed, I was mostly joking, but there are still algorithms that drive the hot and controversial sorting. The fact that you can look up how those algorithms work is also a major difference.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 10 points 22 hours ago

And usually by “algorithm” people mean a feed that is curated to you specifically based off all the data they’ve vacuumed up. Hot/controversial have a clear set of rules about upvote/downvotes over time and they apply exactly the same to everyone, so everyone sorting by hot for instance on a thread or community is seeing the exact same thing

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[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I brows Lemmy by all and then I filter out the communities I don't want to see. This lets me see the new communities that pop up and decided if I want to sub to them. I have around 300 blocked.

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