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The answer to "what is Firefox?" on Mozilla's FAQ page about its browser used to read:

The Firefox Browser is the only major browser backed by a not-for-profit that doesn’t sell your personal data to advertisers while helping you protect your personal information.

Now it just says:

The Firefox Browser, the only major browser backed by a not-for-profit, helps you protect your personal information.

In other words, Mozilla is no longer willing to commit to not selling your personal data to advertisers.

A related change was also highlighted by mozilla.org commenter jkaelin, who linked direct to the source code for that FAQ page. To answer the question, "is Firefox free?" Moz used to say:

Yep! The Firefox Browser is free. Super free, actually. No hidden costs or anything. You don’t pay anything to use it, and we don’t sell your personal data.

Now it simply reads:

Yep! The Firefox Browser is free. Super free, actually. No hidden costs or anything. You don’t pay anything to use it.

Again, a pledge to not sell people's data has disappeared. Varma insisted this is the result of the fluid definition of “sell” in the context of data sharing and privacy.

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[–] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Soon the only private option left will be to curl the website, read the html and picture it in my head.

[–] ruplicant@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 hours ago

stallman was right

[–] letsgo@lemm.ee 18 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Are there any specifics about this? It all seems fairly theoretical to me. What do they [want to] do that contradicts "doesn't sell your personal data" within the context of the fluid definition of "sell"? Do they sell my personal data or don't they? What definitions of "sell" are relevant here?

It's all sounding a bit Bill Clinton to me: "it depends on your definition of 'is'."

[–] taanegl@lemmy.world 23 points 21 hours ago

The ambiguity is the smoking gun.

[–] HappyTimeHarry@lemm.ee 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

One thing to keep in mind is thar mozilla is now an ad company and can use this data itself for whatever advertising it wants to sell, so they dont even need a third party they can just sell targeted ads directly to companies while not technically "sharing" the info they gather to anyone.

Basically, why sell the data to other people when you can profit from using it directly?

[–] Avenging5@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Now that Mozilla's fucked. What's the next option that's not Chromium?

[–] wittycomputer@feddit.org 1 points 8 hours ago

Librewolf, degoogled chromium, private windows. If you don't want your data to be sold, don't give out your data.

[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 35 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
  • Mozilla is sliding down a slippery slope to enshitification; but they're still near the top of that slide. The bad stuff hasn't actually come yet. So Firefox is still top-tier in the short term.
  • In the medium term, we can look towards a fork such as Librewolf or Waterfox.
  • And in the long term, we'll probably turn to a new project using Ladybird or Servo.
[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 6 points 16 hours ago

It do be a slippery slope though

[–] dai@lemmy.world 14 points 21 hours ago

Ladybird in a few years, forks of Firefox for now.

[–] free@lemmy.ml 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Disable tor in tor browser.

[–] SirHery@lemmy.world 9 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

A different fork from firefox like librewolf

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[–] uis@lemm.ee 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 3 points 17 hours ago

That isn't ready for common use by most people until there they offer binaries for easy installation.

[–] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 106 points 1 day ago (29 children)

In Firefox, type about:config in address bar, search for "sponsored" and "telemetry" and set all the paremeters you see from TRUE to FALSE. Done.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 2 points 17 hours ago

How can ome do this on mobile? Doesn't run search on the terms or load a config page.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 123 points 1 day ago (8 children)

We shouldn't have to do workarounds like that in the first place. It's getting to be like the Stockholm syndrome people have about Windows abuses. I didn't put up that shit, and I'm not gonna put up with this either.

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[–] JOMusic@lemmy.ml 4 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Or use Waterfox which does most of this by default

[–] squid_slime@lemm.ee 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I like waterfox but the dev of waterfox made a deal with an advertising corp, eventually it fell apart but there was a solid few years where users left waterfox.

[–] JOMusic@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

oh cheers for the heads up. Hadn't heard that!

[–] squid_slime@lemm.ee 1 points 9 hours ago

No worries. I jumped back on once I heard that the company backed out but I am cautious as the dev said some stuff "waterfox was never a privacy browser" and other shameful arguments to counter the unhappy community that his browser had fostered. Either way keep an ear to the ground.

[–] TheChickenOfDoom@lemm.ee -1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] JOMusic@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 hours ago

hahah both are good

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago

said Ajit Varma, veep of Firefox Product

Pack up your shit, and get the FUCK out. You're a fucking disgrace.

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