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Stolen from @vmstan

More analysis from @wiredfire:

It’s nothing to do with [difficulties in using multiple platforms]. It’s to do with the massive backlash they got on Fedi for their CEO being all Trumpy and somewhat horrible right wing. So they’ve run away because they were made to feel unwelcome on account of us not letting their BS fly.

Original screenshot is of the bio of https://mastodon.social/@protonprivacy and wasn’t a post (that confused me for a sec).

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 19 points 19 hours ago

I get tired of being so right all of the time

[–] Big_Boss_77@lemmynsfw.com 12 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Is it time to change VPN platforms?

ProtonVPN has more servers, so its less likely to be blocked than Mullvad or IVPN. When I was using ProtonVPN I see much less "Log in to prove you are not a bot" or the reddit snoo avatar getting mad at me for using a VPN (there are still Movies and TV discussions I'd like to read).

Nevertheless, I'm currently using IVPN, I'm not sure if I'm staying tho.

Also: For people in authoritarian countries (like actual ones that already censored the internet), it would be difficult to pay for a VPN since banks would also block the transaction and cryptocurrency is likely also banned, so ProtonVPN's free tier is their only choice. (I'm not in a country that has censorship yet, but just want to mention that some people are in that situation)

Also Mullvad is slow, I recommend IVPN over Mullvad.

[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Absolutely. Mullvad is way better.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 4 points 18 hours ago

Mullvad, lad

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 72 points 1 day ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (6 children)

It’s to do with the massive backlash they got on Fedi

That makes no sense, considering the message in question was posted on Xitter, and the backlash they received was far worse and more public on Reddit, where they are directing their followers to go. It won't stop anyone from talking about them here.

[–] MissingInteger@lemm.ee 10 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

The message was on Xitter from Andy Yen, but it was highlight on Mastodon by Jonah from Privacyguides.
The official Proton account also tried to defend Andy Yen on Mastodon (and later deleted it).

Here the link to the thread on Mastodon.

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[–] LWD@lemm.ee 54 points 1 day ago (4 children)

But the backlash on Reddit could be contained!

  • Half of it was on their subreddit, which they have full control over
  • Half of it was on r/privacy, which got removed by a Proton fan.
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[–] nul9o9@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I suggest Mullvad as an alternative to Protons VPN services.

[–] killabeezio@lemm.ee 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah, plenty of good VPN alternatives. Not so much for email though if you want encryption.

[–] EngineerGaming 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I would not rely on provider-dependent encryption anyway. If you want actual encryption - use PGP.

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[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 7 points 22 hours ago (7 children)

tuta.com seems a good option, I switched to them a few months ago and so far so good

[–] killabeezio@lemm.ee 1 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah I was considering this service. There are a few things that make me hesitant, like searchability of emails and possibly calendar features and integration. But this one is definitely at the top of my list.

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[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Seconded.

For anyone considering switching though, make sure:

  1. You don't need port forwarding (e.g. for faster P2P online gaming, or various other P2P services) since I don't believe they have it, or if they do it certainly doesn't work well
  2. You're okay with a smaller selection of servers, since Mullvad has less

I will say though, I found less sites throttled/blocked me on Mullvad in some cases, since Mullvad's IPs are less widely shared than Proton's, so that's a plus, but a few sites will have hard blocks on some VPN providers like Mullvad that they've made manual exclusions to for larger VPNs like Proton.

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[–] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 18 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, their Linux dev team consists of two people, who, I believe only handle Linux things as part of their responsibilities and there is no dedicated team. I’m not salty that people have been asking for a Linux drive client for 4 years and the only response came this year saying ‘there’s only two people we’re focused on mail and vpn clients at the moment’.

Not trying to take away from Yen saying dumb shit with the company account or any of the mounting criticisms they’ve earned of late. Just a point toward their explanation not actually being too far out of the realm of possibility. And the likelihood of their PR/Social Media team being similarly small to the point of being understaffed.

Like yeah, this is needlessly antagonistic and blunt? Sure, but that feels more down to bad copy than the actual intent and direction of a companies PR dept, right?

“Due to a need for consolidation in the face of limited resources we will no longer be able to maintain our current scope of social media presence. This account will remain active and be updated automatically but for the foreseeable future it will be unmonitored. Please join us on Reddit or contact support if you have any questions! Thanks Mastodon, toot on!”

Explains more clearly the logistical need to limit focus without disregarding the importance of the community. Someone hire me, I need a job. Leaves the account open to be reactivated some day and there’s no reason they couldn’t automate posting there.

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[–] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 12 points 22 hours ago

I was tempted to cancel after the CEO comments on politics, Reddit is a bit much though.

Reddit privacy policy is dog shit, having a company advertise privacy and use Reddit is comical

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

proton vpn, is mostly useless against reddit anyways, its not coincidence that the vpns are not working anymore and thier aggressive banning on reddit, or they angling for reddit allow only thier vpn to be used, they are probably getting some kind of deal from huffman.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 20 points 1 day ago

At least we know where their loyalties actually lie, now.

[–] edg@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Not surprising. Proton and their volunteer mods on /r/protonmail quash talk that doesn't make them look good. Plus there are a bunch of fanboys willing to defend whatever Proton does.

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