electoral politics DOES get the job done, just not to the same standard as the popular vote.
The problem is that the people who WANT things to change for some reason, don't seem to vote.
this post was submitted on 01 Feb 2025
129 points (97.8% liked)
Late Stage Capitalism
1934 readers
50 users here now
A place for for news, discussion, memes, and links criticizing capitalism and advancing viewpoints that challenge liberal capitalist ideology. That means any support for any liberal capitalist political party (like the Democrats) is strictly prohibited.
A zero-tolerance policy for bigotry of any kind. Failure to respect this will result in a ban.
RULES:
1 Understand the left starts at anti-capitalism.
2 No Trolling
3 No capitalist apologia, anti-socialism, or liberalism, liberalism is in direct conflict with the left. Support for capitalism or for the parties or ideologies that uphold it are not welcome or tolerated.
4 No imperialism, conservatism, reactionism or Zionism, lessor evil rhetoric. Dismissing 3rd party votes or 'wasted votes on 3rd party' is lessor evil rhetoric.
5 No bigotry, no racism, sexism, antisemitism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism, or any type of prejudice.
6 Be civil in comments and no accusations of being a bot, 'paid by Putin,' Tankie, etc.
founded 9 months ago
MODERATORS
Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth.
Lucy Parsons
Not a single one of our rights has ever been won via electoral politics, they have been won with a great deal of violence against the state and capitalism.
violence just happens to be alongside most of the electoral politics, i'm pretty sure we still voted for shit like, womens suffrage, and civil rights. Shit like gay rights as well.
Activism is an important part of politics no doubt, but to say that not voting and killing people will magically make legislation get passed is just fucking mentally deranged.
Women suffrage, civil rights, gay rights, labor rights, all of them had many acts of violence before anything meaningful came of it. Rights are never given, they are fought for with blood, sweat, and tears.
Violence is the only language the state understands, and unless people speak to them in their language they dont hear a thing. Violence is not just physical, its also mental and economical
load more comments
(5 replies)
Isn’t that part of what made the Occupy Movement so threatening to capitalists? The problem was however that it had no direction. The point was disruption, but there wasn’t a clear goal or demand till the end.
I’m all for memes, but what specifically would a general strike accomplish other than the governing class using every method, including police violence and fear, to immediately try to suppress the opposition?
In a society where the majority of people live paycheck to paycheck (by design) a 10 day strike will never happen. You’d be lucky to get 5% of the populace to participate.
load more comments
(1 replies)
They have enough money to hold out for 10 days. Your rent is still due, and you’re broke—as intended. Good luck.
Sounds crazy, but that's irrelevant. Understand the cost of shutting down a just-in-time economy. You're thinking like an individual, not a corporation.
You're out of work for 10-days, you're out of 10-days pay, that's it. Shut down, say, Walmart, and the logistical boondoggle would reverberate like a fucking shockwave. It would take months to resume normal operations.
FFS, look at what COVID did. Semis backup up for miles, for days, ships delayed for months. And that was with all of us trying to work and muddle through. After shutting down I-10 for a measly 2-days, I drove past 24-miles of backed-upped trucks once it started again. (There was plenty more, but I was at my exit.)
The scale of our economy is hard to grasp from an individual perspective, but the owners sure as fuck grasp it. There are factories and plants where stoppages cost millions per hour.
10 isn’t enough for long term change. It’s enough for them to realize they need a backup plan.
If you cut me on the arm I’m going to be shocked, and wear protection next time. But if you shove a knife in my gut and twist, something needs to happen now or I’m going to bleed out.
We need to stab them in the gut.
Electoral politics can get the job done but the populous is apathetic for various reasons.
What makes anyone think that people will instead decide to put their livelihoods in peril to accomplish the same thing?
Vote people!!
Don’t get suckered in by identity politics and wedge issues.
Don’t ever vote for a populist with dictatorial tendencies. Especially when that person is a convicted felon, a known liar and a narcissist.
It is so obvious!!!
the populous is apathetic for various reasons.
Typical lib, refusing to actually look at the core of the problem (like trillions spent on propaganda, state and capitalist indoctrination since birth, people being deliberately kept too busy and burnt out trying to keep their head above the water, people being deliberately taught a whitewashed version of history and deprived of critical thinking skills, and the list goes on and on and on, but sure "various reasons" so easily dismissed and ignored), and instead expects individual to "solve" systemic problems (and I put solve in ~~brackets~~ quotation marks, because liberals, eternal guardians of the status quo, don't actually want to solve anything, hence the insistence of repeating the same mistake over and over, playing by the oppressor's rules, and pretending to expect a different result).
Typical lib.
You know you're parroting nazis, right. If you have a problem with corporate centrists you should come up with a different slur for them.
Liberals are a lot closer to nazis than any leftist, and infinitely more willing to work and compromise with them. Libs are the left wing of fascism, a necessary piece to allow nazis to take power, and you'll never realize that bc you think your politics are 100% infallible and good and flawless
Where did you get that garbage?
From growing up in the US and paying even the tiniest amount of attention to national politics. You should try it some time, or just learn some history from 1930s Germany considering how things are going
Name one "liberal" who thinks their politics are 100% good and flawless.
most of them don't even realize that's the role they play
Typical lib.
You know you’re parroting nazis, right
New take just dropped
You're talking as if liberals didn't lay the groundwork for everything Trump is able to accomplish.
You're also trying to conflate apathy for people refusing to vote for someone that does not represent their best interests. People that say 'vote' are usually looking out for their best interests and demand that everyone else support their best interests.
Liberals laid the groundwork to prevent Trump from doing far worse. Without courts and checks and balances, Trump would never have left power after 2016 and women, trans people, and minorities would all be literal slaves.
I agree a general strike will do far more than voting, but don't lose the plot of what's realistic and possible in pursuit of your idealism. It's a problem of scale. A general strike is many orders of magnitude more difficult than winning an election.
I'll be there to strike when the general strike is supposed to happen, but until the general strike happens, if it ever happens, you calling for a general strike does zero material good.
load more comments
(1 replies)
General strikes are outlawed and illegal under the taft-hartley act. Fight at the polls to overturn it.
load more comments
(1 replies)