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General Discussion Thread - Juche 113, Week 50 - Syrian Solidarity Edition (lemmygrad.ml)
submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml to c/genzedong@lemmygrad.ml
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Welcome again to everybody. Make yourself at home. In the time-honoured tradition of our group, here is the weekly discussion thread.

On Sunday last week, Damascus fell to Salafi terrorists and other imperialist-aligned forces. Regardless of the flaws of the ousted government, this is a horrible situation for the Syrian proletariat as well as for the people of Palestine, Lebanon and others. We can only hope for the perseverance of the Syrian workers and the remaining anti-colonial resistance.

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[–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Love this tiny bit of theory from an old Soviet film about the revolution, between Tanya the nurse and the political comissar Ignatyich:

Tanya: Listen, Ignatyich... Why isn’t there Soviet power abroad? Are they stupid?

Ignatyich: Go to sleep.

Tanya: But how come, Ignatyich?

Ignatyich: Seems they don’t have the strength for it. And they live better than we do. They're not desperate enough, haven’t ripened for it yet.

It's a great film, shame there doesn't seem to be a version with English subtitles on YT.

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[–] Verenata@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Omg a capybara runs this side! 🤔

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[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Anyone know how I can find my own DMs on here?

Edit: Found them— bell icon, messages, all.

[–] felhfeltetel@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 6 months ago

📢 Today is the 35th birthday of the Hungarian Workers' Party. Happy birthday and keep going! 🇭🇺

[–] Darkerseid@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

what is palestinian authority function in this crisis?

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 6 months ago

Imagine Vichy France but they are also running death squads that kill partisans.

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I have a socialist classmate who believes that money doesn't give you power, but ideology does. When I talked about capital he said that capital doesn't equal power either, and that capitalists power can't be just because of capital. He also said another time that HTS didn't win because of capitalist reasons but because of their islamic ideology. I disagree with him, and you?

He's kinda a debate bro type of socialist btw, who doesn't go to demonstrations or is part of a party.

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 6 months ago

That person doesn't sound like a socialist at all. Marx rejected ideology as false consciousness. Ideology is the polar opposite of materialism.

HTS won because they had the money to bribe generals and Assad didn't have the money to pay them to keep them loyal. If Ideology is more powerful that material concerns why didn't ISIS win the last war? Sunni supremacy was far more acceptable in Syria back then. Anti imperialist ideology is at an all time high in the region.

[–] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Not sure what his point is really. Like money, or capital, or possession of something in general, gives you power. Especially in a system that is designed around money, or capital, or possessions.

Also not sure what he means with the HTS thing. Like, they won because they are a US proxy and managed to get aid through one of the most powerful military forces in the world. Not sure what them being Muslims has to do with that. Allah didn't guide them to victory.

Does he ever elaborate on his claims? Or is he just trying to sound interesting?

[–] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Because you can be a capitalist at heart but if you don't own any capital what power do you have?

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think he's an idealist and thinks ideas matter the most

[–] chesmotorcycle@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 6 months ago

You can be the biggest bootlicker at work, the bosses can even like you, but you can still get fired. The "ideas" at play here don't matter, since the capital owners will do what they need to expand their capital - and their ability to do so is because of their ownership/control of capital.

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 6 months ago

Could have meant that the struggle was ideological rather than (just) over capital simpliciter. There's a point to be made there. Marx and Engels argued that people do things other than for economic reasons. I'm unsure if that's quite what's happening here, though.

[–] RedFortress@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I hate how many Arabs are celebrating what's happening in Syria, and I'm not even talking about just Moroccans. This makes it hard to not want to just give up on them. It's like they haven't got a single clue, they just gobble up everything they're being told by media just like before. The Arabs are so weak that a completely different culture in Iran are spearheading their own resistance.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

At the end of the day they are not that different from westerners. People everywhere regardless of their religion, nationality or ethnicity are susceptible to being propagandized by their media and their ruling class establishment institutions. All that differs is the material circumstances, and these compel more people in the global south than in the imperial core to wake up and actually realize what is happening.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 6 months ago

a ton of people just live in autopilot and parrot whatever they hear on media, i kid you not ive had mexicans tell me about "china does child labour" while there are kids working in the background.

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