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What's the most deranged political hot take you've ever seen? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 2 years ago by Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml

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Like the kind that made you stop and think for a second about how stupid the person advocating it is. For me, it's the classic "The biggest mistake in recent history was the Allies not pushing into Russia after the fall of Berlin."

There's just a level of imperialist arrogance and blood thirst in there that makes my skin crawl. The worst thing in human history was that the US didn't immediately betray the Soviets and wipe them out until they were sure communism was done for.

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[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Britain EVEN WITHOUT THE HELP OF THE UNITED STATES would have been able to execute Operation Unthinkable and win due to Bomber Command and the British Navy alone. They also thought that they would save quote “10’s of millions of democratically aligned people, and German soldiers from dying in Russian Siberian Death Camps like Vorkuta, because seeing how awful it was inside a Gulag from CALL OF DUTY BLACK OPS 1 made them hate Russia.

This is a person who is an ex-friend of mine attending Princeton while studying foreign policy.

We live in a cruel simulation.

[–] MaxFuryToad@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Had a guy (I guess a nazbol?) try and explain me that Ernesto Guevara was a national socialist. Like, openly so, just a nazi. I just started mocking him at that point.

[–] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

National Bolshevism makes no sense to me. What exactly is it?

[–] ConsciousLochNess@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

The constitution of the United States will be saved by a Mormon in the last days.

[–] cosmonautjem@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago

"homeless people are landlords" 💀

[–] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I once had a coworker fucking uno reverso card me when he started talking some weird white Islamo-nationalist shit and then went onto some really racist tirade against black folk.

He kept talking about the need to defend ones' own people, so I brought up the Black Panthers and what they stood for, what they did in service to not only black people but for the people entirely. I told him they protected their own and that our state killed them for it.

He brought up Hitler. He said "just like Hitler, he was protecting his own"!

I don't even remember what I said after that, I was flabbergasted and almost certain we were both wasted.

[–] Beam@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

white Islamo-nationalist

WHAT

[–] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago

Yeah, iirc he made mention of Farrakhan having some good ideas and having been inspired to read the Quran after getting out of prison. I made mention of Malcolm X and he said he'd look into him. Every time the question of fully blown segregation came up he 'Ahuhuah, I'm not like, totally racist or anything but you gotta admit that black people racist nonsense racist nonsense racist nonsense."

Something something black people for black people white people for white people, with extremely little interaction between them and like, 'peaceful coexistence' as separate ethnostates?

I think I remember pressing him quite a bit on shit, but he changed the subject when it became too critical or intense, and put up walls at certain points, "we've gotta defend our people" ??? who are our people? whites? Muslims? American whites only? Fuck, this shit is so incoherent. Defending 'our people' was a non-negotiable starting point.

Like I said, wasted, so I let it be and went on talking about our favorite cigarette brands or whatever. But I won't ever forget it, and I won't be so utterly stumped the next time I encounter political ideals in such eclectic and fucked up forms. That interaction inspired me to read the (an anglicized version of the) Quran, and as is common with religious texts -- especially the high quality poetry as seen in the Quran -- I found the meaning I wanted out of it, and that meaning was mostly quite lovely.

He, from my perspective, was projecting his fear and hatred onto Islam and the Quran and abusing them to solidify and justify his prejudices. He sought affirmation of his hate and he found it.

[–] heavytf2@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

i do not know if this counts, but i have seen wild hottakes related to communism mentioned by you all, so might as well.

one time, an in-law talked with my dad, as i have mentioned to them that i have studied a bit of marxism and feminism in literature theory class.

the reactions were funny. they said "oh my god are you brainwashed? marxism is satanic! i forgot why and i can't show a video about it, but it's satanic and evil" (they like jordan peterson which explains it all.) while my dad said "karl marx is german so he made nazism".

my dad's claim is especially funny as he lived during the communist era of my country.

i hear a ton of stupid stuff from my relatives, but this is my favorite

[–] ergifruit@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago

i remember in school, i was taught that gays should be put into concentration camps and Jewish people should he forcibly converted to Christianity. and there's still people that parrot that, every time i have the misfortune to use social media. :)

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