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Belief in misinformation about key health issues persists among a good chunk of adults, with false claims about COVID-19, vaccines and reproductive health garnering a substantial amount of support, a new poll from KFF has found.

Whether or not they believed the claims, nearly all participants in the survey were aware of the misinformation with 96 percent saying they had heard at least one of the 10 claims presented to them. The most widespread misinformation claims had to do with COVID-19 and vaccines.

The new polling data found that a third of adults believed the COVID-19 vaccines “caused thousands of sudden deaths in otherwise healthy people,” with 10 percent believing that claim to be “definitely true” and 23 percent saying it was “probably true.” Another 34 percent said it was “probably false” and 31 percent said that claim was “definitely false.”

Nearly a third of people also said they believed the parasitic deworming medication ivermectin was an “effective treatment for COVID-19.” Among the naysayers, 44 percent said that claim was “probably false” and 22 percent said it was “definitely false.”

Health experts and clinicians have repeated stressed that there is no evidence that ivermectin has any efficacy in treating or preventing COVID-19 infections, and the Food and Drug Administration has never authorized the drug for use in treating the coronavirus.

In the same poll, roughly a quarter of people said they believed vaccinations against measles, mumps and rubella caused autism in children and that COVID-19 vaccines cause infertility. No evidence has so far been found to indicate that immunization against SARS-CoV-2 affects male or female fertility.

The claims that vaccines cause autism have long been refuted. Several studies, including one in Sweden published in 2020 that followed children exposed to flu vaccinations for several years, have found no link between vaccinations and autism.

The British physician Andrew Wakefield who originated the claim has since been barred from practicing medicine in the U.K. and the 1998 study he conducted that linked autism to vaccinations has since been deemed fraudulent.

Regarding reproductive health, about a third of survey participants said they believed sex education would lead to teens being more sexually active and also that birth control the pill or IUDs make it harder for women to get pregnant after they stop using those methods.

Larger shares of participants believed in misinformation having to do with gun violence when compared to the other issues, with 60 percent saying they believed “armed school police guards have been proven to prevent school shootings.”

A 2021 analysis of 133 school shootings from 1980 to 2019 found that armed school police officers — who were present in nearly a quarter of school shootings included in the study — were not associated with a significant reduction in gun injuries.

~~Another 42 percent said they believed people who have firearms in their homes are less likely to be killed by a gun than people without guns at home. In fact, the opposite has been observed, with a 2022 analysis of California adults from 2004 to 2016 finding that overall homicide rates were more than two times higher among people who lived with gun owners than those who didn’t.~~ [the original study didn't control for income, which is fucking lib]

While these results indicate a sizeable minority of adults believe in disproven claims about health, KFF noted that the rate of people who believe them to be “definitely true” was small overall. The majority people fell in what the organization referred to as the “malleable middle,” who were unsure about most of the claims presented to them.

KFF found that certain groups were more susceptible to misinformation than others, including those with lower levels of educational attainment, those who identify as Republican as well as Black and Hispanic adults.

The findings came from the KFF Health Misinformation Tracking Poll Pilot that was conducted from May 23 to June 12. Pollsters included 2,007 adults in the survey and the results have a margin of error of plus or minus three percentage points.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 66 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I dropped dead about an hour after I got vaxxed, so I think that says a lot.

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 38 points 2 years ago

Fck, how could Brandon do this???

DaBiden

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 62 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I can’t stress enough that people spreading anti-vax shit should’ve been either legally prosecuted or shadily disappeared

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago

You remove the stuff they post and send them accurate information. The ones who keep spreading shit get prosecuted, the same way Holocaust deniers in Germany can be prosecuted.

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago

can't agree enough, a functional society wouldn't allow people to spread lies that are going to get people killed

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

Look all I'm saying is that if we're going to have death squads anyway, they could at least target chuds.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

Definitely the people financing it

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago

So the fight to get people to understand long COVID is yet even more difficult.

[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 43 points 2 years ago

60+% of Americans believe voting makes a difference. I'm kinda surprised the number believing covid lies isn't higher.

[–] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I know a lot of old conservatives that are confusing alcoholism induced heart issues with vaccine symptoms.

[–] envis10n@lemm.ee 32 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's difficult to even get through to people about vaccine information. Just the other day someone I work with was going off about how they "proved ivermectin actually does work for COVID" and it's like, why bother engaging at all? I'm not going to change his mind, it's rotted.

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I feel like we're in a post discourse society. People don't argue shit anymore. I feel like, in 2015, people would be writing pages of FB comments going off on this shit.

[–] eatmyass@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We’ve fully entered the vibes based society.

[–] envis10n@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And no one passes the vibe check

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

yeah at a certain point all you can do is say "show me the study" and they'll just say "uh look it up it's true" and you can be like "no it's not, i've seen countless people claim that and they never have evidence that's rigorous and indicates what they're claiming" and they'll just tell you to do your own research again.

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago

or more likely they'll be like "my cousin got the vaccine and then they died" and you can say that they're wrong and that didn't happen but you don't have access to the medical records so as far as they're concerned you know just as much as they do.

[–] envis10n@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago

And even when you do provide evidence, they will wave it away with a "those scientists are part of the cabal" or "that was paid for by big pharma" and ignore the data entirely.

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

I remember when the ivermectin shit was going around, it was legitimately too foolish to warrant a response. I think I ended up just telling them that they're taking cow/horse meds and sending them Doja cats I'm a cow I go moo song lol.

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

60 percent saying they believed “armed school police guards have been proven to prevent school shootings.”

Do people literally not know what it means to prove something?

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago

Was this another landline survey conducted exclusively with ancient people who have a landline, actually pick it up, and then take the survey instead of immediately hanging up?

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago

60 percent saying they believed “armed school police guards have been proven to prevent school shootings.

Y'all heard of Uvalde? xi-plz

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago

this type of shit is the symptom of letting powerful people do bad and never face consequences. when the people appointed to run agencies by corrupt assholes never face justice for their actions, as the hollowing out of our institutions is normalized by privatization/neoliberalism/deregulation schemes and power is continuously vested in private interests, the trust of people in institutions erodes because ultimately it's the reputation being stripped as an asset and converted into cash for a cluster of well-placed assholes.

the lib response to symptoms like this is to declare that people are stupid and then basically do nothing about it, because there is never a material cause underlying any of this in their eyes. "whatever happened to people understanding science?" look at our public schools: standardized testing tied to austerity happened. people were falling all over themselves in the 40s to get their kids the polio vaccine. look at our public health infrastructure: who the fuck can afford to have a casual conversation with a trusted family physician? absolutely incredible how Biden is "most progressive president since FDR" while absolutely terminating any more discussion of universal healthcare, despite it being an explicit plank of the party platform. remember that? then a goddamn pandemic happened and it's all "we love our pharmaceutical companies and their proprietary medicines!"

i get vaccines because i understand what's behind how they work and have a working understanding of history. same reason i think flouride in the drinking water is 👍 . if they slip one by me with 5G nanobots to make me gay or whatever, i can live with it. but i get why people who received a shit tier education and have limited exposure to healthcare just flat out don't trust the messaging of government agencies, because it's pretty clear many of our institutions do not care if millions of regular people die to make some people rich. the pandemic showed all of us that. we can't expect people who have been unsupported/underserved by social institutions and subjected to their social murder believe anything they say.

and yes, in a real country, the state should absolutely come down hard on the business of public health misinformation and absolutely destroy those people publicly.

[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

only 22% of this country knows for certain that horse dewormer doesn’t get rid of covid

doomjak

[–] axont@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I know some chuds and new age crystal types who are claiming their vaccine causes amnesia. That's been the weirdest one.

[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

Memory loss is a symptom of long covid, so I can definitely see them looking at someone suffering from that and blaming literally the exact wrong thing for it.

[–] mittens@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

it's just cope. certainly easier to think that every institution was defeated by a cabal of reptilian financiers through complicated subterfuge and not that our carved out institutions were no match for an unthinking, unyielding, barely living thing that only insists on its own reproduction which spontaneously came about. the latter requires reconciling with the fact that every institution is impotent against every upcoming global warming crisis which demand incredible unprecendented change at nearly every level. the former only requires some sort of heroic strongman figure to vanquish evil.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

Honestly, it's not unreasonable to believe thousands of deaths were caused by the Covid vaccine since 13.42 billion doses have been given. The odds would be slightly lower than someone having a life-threatening reaction to the flu vaccine because they're severely allergic to eggs. It would be on par with the health professional improperly giving the vaccine setting off a freak series of events that culminated in the person's death. Thousands of deaths caused by something that has been administered tens of billions of times is rounding error.

This is one of those things where the respondents are obviously wrong about something, but because they're so terrible at understanding what orders of magnitudes are, they wind up giving a not unreasonable answer. Now, the implication of their belief (thousands of healthy and young people dying means there's millions of old people dying) is something that must be ruthlessly combated.

[–] ewichuu@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

haha my parents are like this, they talk about it like every single day

we live in a country that actually made the vaccine mandatory for anything other than shopping for groceries too, so we spent like 2 years in complete isolation because they didn't want to get it and they legit said if I got it they'd never talk to me again

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I stg it's only a matter of time before some chud freak buys some costume scrubs from a Spirit Halloween and films a car video about how the vaccine-getters are a gay hivemind that's plotting to kill them, and they need to get rifles and start forming checkpoints before America is lost.

I mean I'm sure that exact video has been filmed like 30 times, but it's only a matter of time before something like that catches on.

[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago

unsalvageable country

Death to America

[–] Efwis@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

WTH do guns stats have to do with Covid??? This article starts off well then changes topics completely. Whoever wrote this article is trying to inject a personal argument talking point in the end.

[–] LesbianLiberty@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The point of the article was common misconceptions that people have that allow for a reactionary rightwing to have more political power; I think something like "police save lives" being a lie people believe that only benefits the far right is very relevant to it's content

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You're right. But in his defense, The Hill is absolute dogshit.

[–] LesbianLiberty@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago

You got me there

[–] Efwis@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 years ago

I understand that. But the bulk of the article was dealing with misconceptions of vaccines. It’s like the firearm misconceptions was a out of the scope of what the rest of the article was about. That was what I was getting at.

I agree with the articles main premise but it just seemed odd to me that firearms misconceptions was Unnecessary and designed to spark controversy. Which, tbf, is how msm rolls now.

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The Hill is pretty fucking terrible. I am tempted to delete the paragraph as, um ya, people who buy guns often live in shitty areas. Although I'm reading the original study and getting murdered by your male spouse gets a huge increase if he has a gun.

Hey I have no opinion on guns, and I wouldn't have enough interest and knowledge of this topic to get in a struggle session. Feel free to reply, I'm not trying to shut you down.

[–] daisy@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My opinion on guns is that people ought to know the basics of storing, maintaining, carrying, and using them as safely as possible, even if they don't plan to own one.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

It's like learning to swim

You might live in Nebraska and never plan to go to the ocean

But if your car goes in a lake, you're going to be damn glad you know how to make it to shore

[–] Efwis@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Some article The Hill puts out are good to a point. But I think this article is definitely written with some kind of nefarious outcome.

You did nothing wrong, as all the quotes you listed come straight from the article itself. I just think they are reaching for something by pulling info in that has no bearing on the scope of the rest of the article.

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Ya scope and slant bother me to no end. It's like every lib I know thinks they're the expert on AES, and that the DPRK is some kind of monarchy where the people starve while the leaders live Saudi Arabia or tech billionaire kinda lavishness. I do agree with you that the direction of that paragraph is shit. I think it would have been valuable to mention that poorer people often buy guns for protection. I'm reading the original study; they controlled for a bunch of variables but not income.

Edit: Fuck it, I put a strikethrough and comment on that paragraph.

[–] Efwis@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I agree with you. I also think that wealth is proportionally slanted to keep people poor. I really wish we, as a society, would quit worrying about money and make life acceptable to everyone not just a select few. They definitely should have done a variable of income.

I can also state, with complete clarity, that those 3-4 paragraphs about guns have absolutely nothing to do with healthcare and vaccines that the article was meant to be about.

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is pretty gold, though:

A 2021 analysis of 133 school shootings from 1980 to 2019 found that armed school police officers — who were present in nearly a quarter of school shootings included in the study — were not associated with a significant reduction in gun injuries.

[–] Efwis@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I agree. Hell having armed security or off duty police officers doesn’t stop bank robber from robbing a bank after all. It just makes them, the robbers, more determined to succeed no matter what the costs or risks are.

Guns don’t stop gun violence, they actually make it worse.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

There's at least the possibility of a deterrent effect that's difficult to measure -- how many people would rob a bank, but don't because armed security is there.

The flip side is what you mentioned: those determined to rob a bank are going to arm up, too.

“If an outcome could be affected by socioeconomic status, it’s probably the main factor”

[–] SootyChimney@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I appreciate basically all those believers are being dumbdumb, listening to misinformation, and the vaccine is incredibly, incredibly safe (get vaccinated, vaccines are amazing). But to be honest, 'thousands of sudden deaths in otherwise healthy people' is not a very high bar for a vaccine distributed to billions.

The AZ vaccine is incredibly safe, get vaccinated, but it has roughly 10 serious, frequently life-ending, clots per million doses, more commonly in healthy young people. No hard numbers I can find about consequent deaths, but if 1 billion people have had the AZ vaccine, then 10,000 people will have suffered that. Roughly 13.5bn doses administered worldwide, so even if vaccines in general are 4x safer than the AZ vaccine, and only 1 in 4 of those people actually die, and only 1 in 4 of those deaths is a person that was otherwise healthy, it is plausible that the claim 'thousands of otherwise healthy people have died suddenly from the vaccine' is true.

The risk of death or lifelong injury from COVID is significantly higher, get vaccinated. COVID bad, fuck antivaxxers, get fucking vaccinated for your own and others' sakes - but the number do add up in a silly way. I suspect the sentence is actually true.

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