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[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 59 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Then why has no one been “rewarded” for huge amounts of productivity increases since the 70s?

Oh. Right. They “rewarded” the CEO greedclass

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago

And Ruling Class! They got Bank too.

[–] renlok@lemmy.ml 46 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I guess he's supporting giving himself a big paycut then

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 29 points 2 years ago

I think he owes us.

[–] keeb420@kbin.social 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ok. How far back should we go? I'm feeling the 1970s and go from there. Oh lokkie here it shows that the poor and middle class have doubled their productivity. Oh wait wages have been effectively slashed? Hmm.

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 21 points 2 years ago

So NHS workers after COVID should be on a fair whack then

[–] Neirin_D@feddit.uk 20 points 2 years ago

I agree that productivity should be rewarded, but that's not what happens. If you work hard, the company will realise that they can get the same work done with fewer employees and will reduce work hours to increase profits instead of rewarding you.

[–] Landmammals@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Pay raises for productivity is fine, but you also need raises for cost of living increases.

[–] Overzeetop@sopuli.xyz -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

More importantly, as a centralized bank economy, it’s the government’s fault inflation exists and it is their responsibility, as and employer and monitor of inflation, to make their employees while every year. If productivity increases, that should be paid on top of pay maintenance.

[–] Aux@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The government doesn't have any responsibility for you, it's not there to serve you. It's there to govern you and make sure you stay in line.

[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This is the dumbest opinion I've heard in a while. So the government = prison guard.

[–] kugel7c@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

I mean analytically the comment is somewhat correct, the government in most of the world doesn't actually, take responsibility for you and doesn't adequately care for it's citizens despite claiming to be from the people for the people. Liberal government doesn't really work for the people, it works for the owning class.

[–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Yes. Like it ever was different in any country.

[–] julietOscarEcho@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Christ you sound like you like it that way.

[–] C4d@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Should a real terms pay cut be accompanied by a compensatory drop in productivity? I think it’s called quiet quitting or something…

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Quiet Quitting is doing only what was paid for and no more. Thus crap pay results in crap output.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Doing your job and nothing more has been called coasting for decades, but apparently some blogger made a stupid new term that doesn't involve being quiet or quitting and that is what will be used from now on.

[–] rayquetzalcoatl@feddit.uk 10 points 2 years ago

If Rishi Sunak told me the sky was blue, I'd look up to make sure. Scumbag.

[–] Krackalot@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We got that system in the US. I just got my review. Boss says I did great, mentions a couple areas I excelled in. Shows me the review. Everything rated straight down the middle. Turns out when it comes to paying me more, I'm just a medium/ok worker.

[–] petenu@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago

Well, if it's any consolation, I imagine that there are lots of companies out there who would be more than willing to pay you what you're worth.

[–] charlytune@feddit.uk 10 points 2 years ago

Is this the basis for MPs pay rises then?

[–] SonnyVabitch@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Pay rises are supposed compensate for the inflation caused by your incompetent government, mate.

[–] Idirian@feddit.uk 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

In his case, being so incredibly shit and inept, he should be paying billions back then. This duplicitous twat should just fuck off.

[–] correcthorsedickbatterystaple@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

i mean...sure

but something tells me that's not what he means

Interesting chart. I think it comes from this article on why here

https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 7 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Sunak’s comments come after Bank of England governor Andrew Bailey expressed concerns that pay increases were fuelling inflation.

The Bank of England is now under renewed pressure to raise interest rates next month after wages jumped more than expected in June, boosted by a one-off payment to NHS workers.

However, amid recent inflation and rising interest rates, trade unions have taken issue with the apparent blame attached by Bailey and others to wage demands by low and middle earners.

The Trades Union Congress (TUC) general secretary, Paul Nowak, said on Tuesday: “Real wages are still worth less today than in 2008 after the longest pay squeeze in 200 years.

An analysis in June by the TUC also found that pay rises for the top 10% of UK earners, including City bosses, had clearly outstripped the rest of the workforce and had been a prime driver of recent inflation and interest rates.

Sunak trumpeted the public sector pay offers that the government had extended to NHS workers, teachers and others and called for an an end to industrial action by doctors.


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[–] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Fuck Billionaires lol

[–] Bigs@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

This article is so slimy. Sustainable here really means in relation to the fiduciary responsibility to the board. To use another C-suite term, the sustainable pay rise is often immaterial.

[–] halfempty@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Let this apply to CEOs and top management too, then.

[–] Oneeightnine@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago

I'm far from an expert on this but I thought that an increase in productivity was the end result of multiple things coming together. Investment, training, a strong economy etc etc??

[–] angelsomething@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago

Rich coming from him eh

[–] Borkingheck@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Do we start measuring productivity today or since the 1950s because one person on a PC or crane at a harbour replaced a crap load of staff in an office or dockyard - that seems Helland productive.