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[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago

“Low info” (black) voters just don’t know about all our great policies. This is a “communication” issue.

Democrats really are so fucking stupid. It’s never them that are wrong. It’s always the stupid voters

[–] NewLeaf@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

maybe-later-kiddo enjoy your dictator! We won't be fighting for you

[–] RustyVenture@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love how this basically gives up the game that the only real activism these people believe in is voting.

Like we know you’re not going to be fighting for us; you never have before!

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Voting is the ur-slacktivism

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Endorse our genocide of one minority group or you could be next."

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Could? Any reddit-logo thread you see of minorities calling on Biden to quit being a genocidal freak will be littered with bluedog freaks telling those minorities they look forward to Trump doing terrible things to said minorities

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Often the same terrible things already happening under biden

[–] TheGyattsMustBeCrazy@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Until the Dems address the different attitudes of black people based on class and faith he will bleed black support. The black people the administration touts like Amanda Gorman, Symone Sanders, Kamala etc. are a world apart from the middle and lower middle class black people in cultural attitudes, concerns, etc. When I seen irl how everyday black people speak to someone black whom they think is high upper middle class, there is so much distance between them it borders on no solidarity. Makes sense, since while most black people have had a relative in jail or have been in jail themselves, this applies to only 1/3 of college educated black people.

Unless you are a black humanities major from a college town a lot of broad brush "inclusivity" stuff falls on deaf ears, and when you finger wag at your base for antisemitism or even LGBTQ+ discrimination it's completely alien and unengaging to the average black American. A lot of black people even lean toward anti-PC attitudes, and there are shows like those on the Zeus Network made by/for middle class black people to mock inner city and poor black people in the same way that white supremacists and "telling it like it is" comedians mock. And that's not to mention the schism between Carribbean/African immigrants and black people descended from American slavery.

Basically, Dems at the top often have an unnuanced view about the black community that literally makes the party come off as more out of touch with that community than some Stonetoss Comics/Groypers. They need to actually honestly look at intracommunal relations and the warts and all of Black Americans and find a galvinizing message. I hate seeing Dems hedge and give into the right wing's framing on DEI/Affirmative Action type programs as "racist handouts" rather than proudly vowing to protect them for black people in a non-condescending way, cementing their necessity but also allowing some to opt out. I hate how white Dems are just looking for the right set of catchphrases to memorize and chide fellow whites for not reciting right, rather than finding rousing and reactionary-triggering comments that shore up support.

Black American groups that don't feel any kinship with one another WILL rally together to support Dems when the party's policy and advocacy are right. Hell, a lot of the anti-woke/anti-PC black people online started fighting fiercely with the crypto racists whom they usually align with, when it was announced that the next Assassins Creed game featured Yasuke--a real black samurai exemplifying welcomed black representation. If this Ubisoft reskinned slop marketing team can figure it out, and the Dems still collapse their black vote percentage this year, then they are losers and suckers just like the troops.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The monolithic treatment of a massive group of people based on nothing but skin color is racist and reductive. Latinos get it too. They should try giving a shit more often than every 4 years instead of pandering.

[–] TheGyattsMustBeCrazy@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They don't even have the temerity to pander! They got mad at Trump for being distasteful for putting his names on the stimulus checks that hood rappers are still praising him for, while the plan Kamala released to uplift black neighborhoods was "a student loan debt forgiveness program for Pell Grant recipients who start a business that operates for three years in disadvantaged communities."

And speaking of Latinos, it was such a wakeup call to me when Trump's Latino support shot up in 2020 BECAUSE of his border policies, since they created a ton of enforcement related middle class jobs for Spanish-speaking Americans living near the border. Like it couldn't be clearer how material benefits override any lip service solidarity.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Many Latinos also harbor right wing political beliefs. These would be overridden by meaningful material benefits but of course under democrats these are non existent. How anyone would be surprised by the steady erosion of support from this "reliable democratic voter base" is beyond me

[–] TheGyattsMustBeCrazy@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the Biden campaign outright said that Hispanics were not part of their path to victory in 2020. The Dems also spinelessly gave in to conservative framing about border crises and jettisoned a policy that was popular--pathway to citizenship, amnesty for Dreamers/those who have been here forever, but more inflow controls. The old ass Dems didn't trust the American people to grasp nuance and overlook the "open borders" panic even though most people are pretty humane about undocumented immigrants even while nominally against them.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago
[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

It's funny how dems will mock Republicans for calling a dude from Paraguay a Mexican and then also treat the Latinos (except the Cubans!) like they are a monolith. What the hell, guys.

[–] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whether it’s material conditions or lack of communication, the democrats have shown they fail at basic political tasks. Why should anyone vote for people who can’t even play the game right?

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

They don’t lack at communication, they dominate the information space and media. All the Democrats do is “communication”. “Communication” gripes are an excuse for why they need even more money to waste on consultants. Anytime someone opines the problem with the Democrats isn’t their policies but their “communication” they are a DNC shill shithead

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Dems are just going to keep on repackaging "Biden's done a lot about x, people just aren't hearing about it", huh? I skimmed the entire article and didn't see one thing Biden has done.

[–] NewLeaf@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah but have you seen all the POC police clearing the homeless camps and busting up protests? Dark Brandon wins!

[–] AnarchoAnarchist@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

There are things that Biden supporters can point to. The problem is the list is very short, because he's unwilling to take strong executive action and he's hamstrung by a broken Congress.

Also the fact that anything he can point to is overshadowed by the genocide happening with his support.

So like, discharging less than 1% of college debt is something. But it's not a lot. And the people who might be willing to make the case that it's better than nothing, are a little bit too disturbed at the genocide happening with our tax dollars to make that argument.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

No it's worse than that they're lying about his accomplishment and saying he's great for unions and environmental issues.

[–] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

President Biden doesn’t owe you anything. But if you ~~go to church~~ campaign for him every week and ~~pray~~ vote, he’ll answer your needs.

[–] CDommunist@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

Joe Biden alone has stopped Russia from doing a Modern Warefare 3 style takeover a Europe, so write that down

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

It said sometjing abouy funding for HBCUs, which sounds a lot to me like pork for rich admins, with marginal benefits for upper middle class students and nobody else

[–] itappearsthat@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

in bidenland if you say "he hasn't done anything" it's just met with incoherent screeching, so people have given up trying to convince the diehards of this and are going for the gentler "people haven't heard about all the things he's done" then letting the diehards walk directly into the pit of trying to lay out his accomplishments in a way people won't immediately gut-dismiss as hot air

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yup saw a comment on reddit saying you might not like him on Palestine but if you like unions weed or green energy it was a no brainer.

The person who pointed out that he personally broke a strike, weeds still federally illegal and were producing more oil than anybody ever got heavily downvoted.

Democrats campaign message is literally "don't believe your lying eyes"

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Democrats have bought-in fully on the notion that the Rail Strike was a tough-negotiated victory for the unions. They got a few days of sick pay! The rest is handwaved or forgotten

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Nooo don't ruin my nice little box with the material reality! I already put him down as good on these issues, it doesn't matter what he's actually done for them!

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Excuse me, you didn't hear about the student loan forgiveness for 12 people in Wisconsin? Or those $600 checks (down from $2000)... or the "Inflation Reduction Act" that totally, definitely worked?

You're welcome maybe-later-kiddo

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm sick of this "they just don't know about all the great things (dem canidate/party) has done!" "Its a messaging problem/information gap."

These ghouls are the one suffering from an "information gap." The message being sent to them could not be more clear

[–] Runcible@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

I'm going to float an idea here, but maybe if you have a "policy achievement" and I am unaware of it then it isn't an achievement.

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

“When you tell people ‘Here’s what the Biden administration has done,’ particularly related to issues the Black communities care about, people are really surprised”

Funny haw the article never tells you what these issues are then. I would imagine that's very relevant to the gripe repeated 40 times in the article

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

it was explained to me that having the support of Jim Clyburn, the 83 year old man at the top of the extremely gerrymandered 6th congressional district of South Carolina, was effectively the same as having the support of all people of color in the united states.

this was why Bernie Sanders had no chance at winning the general election in 2020 despite winning the first 3 primaries and we had to go with Biden (who had won zero primaries), because Biden had the support of Clyburn, the most powerful DNC power broker in South Carolina... which is like boasting about being the best bullfighter in all of Belgium.

are you implying that being a potent gatekeeper for the convoluted primary process might not translate to broad electoral support?

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

I think this time we're just going to see a record low turnout

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Don't these fucking idiots know what we're doing for them?? The fuck are they complaining about??

[–] macabrett@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

bro I swear to god if people just knew about the tax credit, they'd forget all about palestine and the price of groceries and how unobtainable housing is

[–] Moonworm@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

It's always pretty funny to me to see articles talking about how the Biden campaign just isn't doing a good job communicating what he's accomplished and then they don't say what he's accomplished. Like, come the fuck on. And the thing is I know he has actually done some things that are good and don't get mentioned ever. So yeah, they are genuinely doing a terrible job of campaigning even on their own terms, which are of course totally out of touch with what he electorate wants and cares about. I really am finding it hard to believe that they want to win at all. It's been misstep after misstep since before Biden was even inaugurated. What was the first visible thing democrats did after the election? They cut a chunk out of the check you were getting and tried to weasel out of admitting it. It has been that same tone and function ever since for everything they say publicly.

[–] CDommunist@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

brandon Listen Jack, heres Bernie Mac to explain that Republicans won't make student loan debt any less whack, with the Inflation Reduction Act for infrastructure we have a fat stack

Now that I've rapped vote for me

[–] RION@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

my name is brandon and i'm here to say

i bomb poor kids in a major way

[–] NeelixBiederman@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Part of me wonders if the flood of "Biden is in trouble" articles are intentional cuz the Dems know nothing motivates people better than fear.