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Personally, I want nothing to do with them and I'm not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I moved to the Fediverse to get away from all these corpos.

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[–] JRepin@lemmy.ml 51 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Judging from their past and all the bad actions they have done in the past, bad for democracy, privacy, minorities and marginalised people and how openly they have a far/extreme-right bias. Well I feel extremely negative about them joining in. They were also part of destruction of another open/federated protocol in the past: they played big part in destroying XMPP/Jabber messaging. So I am afraid they will do their usual embrace, extend, and extinguish thing and their surveillance capitalist thing and yeah. no good. Best to block their instances outright.

[–] Bjoern_Tantau@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

Yeah, I was thinking of Jabber as well, when I heard this. For a brief period everything was perfect. Facebook and Google were both using Jabber. And even WhatsApp was using it, I think. So if you had an account somewhere you could actually chat with all your friends, totally unimpeded.

EU should hurry up with their federation laws.

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[–] fratermus@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They are free to set up an instance. Not sure who would federate with them.

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[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 11 points 2 years ago

My feeling about Meta joining the Fediverse is: 🚨DANGER!🚨

[–] ikiru@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

I guess I'll just go back to reading books and watching movies full time.

Fuck all of those tech giants.

[–] ataraxia937@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Even if they were somehow not evil, the sheer volume would technologically destroy any instance that tried to federate with them.

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[–] hellfire103@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago (4 children)
[–] Julian_1_2_3_4_5@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

I have to say, i don't like it, i mean i got here, because i didn't want to have anything to do anymore with them, but i guess if we are careful enough, they probably can't do to much to destroy our current fediverse.

[–] Bicyclejohn@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

Give meta the boot

[–] Rolive@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

Fuuuuuck no! This isn't actually happening right? This is just an idea I hope?

[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They will datamine all federated users They will set up a CDN for uploads on their platform that will track you like v.meta.com or i.meta.com.

They will probably train LLMs off the data. They will sell the data to advertisers or data brokers. They will most likely have ads or pay to boost.

They will diverge from the standard once they have the majority of users like google does with chrome and the web.

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[–] t0fr@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm trying to get away from Facebook and meta. I'd rather they weren't remotely near me at all

[–] axellenium@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Exactly my thoughts, I don’t trust meta or zucky’s leadership, their motives will always be profit over everything else

[–] otterpop@lemmy.fmhy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To me it sounds like they are trying to Embrace, Extend, Extinguish the fediverse. I wouldn't doubt if at first they adopted it with all the standards then started doing proprietary crap

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[–] BlueDiamond@rammy.site 6 points 2 years ago

God fucking damn it. I wanted to get away from them.

[–] datavoid@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

fuck that noise, absolutely do not federate with them

[–] Lor@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

I'd reaaally rather not have that happen.

[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

It's the old Microsoft strategy again - Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

They deserve a good boot up the arse before they put one up our's.

[–] WolfhoundRO@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

They're trojan horse. We can't stop them from creating their own servers, but we can choose to defederate them. Up with the Anti-Meta Defederation Pact

[–] jimrob4@midwest.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

News story I looked up. Fuck Meta and all the other money-sucking bastards that want to commodify every breath I take.

https://fediversereport.com/meta-plans-on-joining-the-fediverse-the-responses/

[–] masterspace@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Meta is more likely to pull people away from Twitter than Mastodon is, and having all of Twitter be run with ActivityPub / open to federation is a good thing.

[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

Just block them from federating and move on.

[–] Meepster@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

Nope. Just nope. It'll be the death of the Fediverse.

[–] averagedrunk@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

It's an easy fix. If an instance you're a part of federates with them then just move to a new instance.

Hopefully this will put instance blocking on the top of the list.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

For myself, I'm not a fan either. But I think it could be a very good thing for the fediverse (still not a fan of that word)


which, as I understand it, is all about choice: the ability to easily access content across the fediverse, with the ability to ignore it just as easily.

If it ends up breeding toxicity, then I'll block any subs, and possibly the whole instance†. And if it gets really bad, I'll just find a lemmy/mastodon/whatever instance that has defederated from them.

† Sounds like this maybe isn't possible yet, but is being looked at https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2397

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[–] empireOfLove@lemmy.one 5 points 2 years ago

They see the fediverse trend gain9ng steam with the rise of Mastodon and go "Oh sheit we need to be on that for $$$". Proceed to embrace, extend, enshittify, and extinguish. Its nothing but Zuckerberg's gasping breaths to try and stay relevant as his company begins the very slow, but inevitable, backslide into technological irrelevance.

I will be leaving and/or blocking any instance that chooses to federate with anything related to Meta. They are antithetical to the entire foundation of the metaverse and they ruin everything they touch.

[–] BabaDuda@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] Harlan_Cloverseed@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Block them or I’m gone

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[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

we shouldnt let them in. they would have done decentralized service years ago if there was money in it for them. They either want us to stop or try to seize control in only way that can -> by worming in.

We must have zero-tolerance for corporations or we might as well just give up.

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[–] RedCanasta@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

I think this is so interesting...

For a refreshing change, we have corporations coming to the users, not the other way around.

I'm deeply skeptical, but I'm glad communities and hubs have the power to block them outright.

[–] fubo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] SuperIce@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Is that necessary though? I feel like we should let them join. If they do something malicious, then we can block them. IMO, it doesn't make sense to just preemptively block them for no real reason.

[–] TrinityTek@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

They've demontrated their evil nature in the past, promoting divisive and inciteful material and anything to drive engagement for the sake of advertiser dollars. I don't think we need to wait for them to do it again in the Fediverse. Better to head that shit off right up front.

[–] Cynosure@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (6 children)

It is wholly necessary. They will start massive data mining operations if they join, harming users of all instances.

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[–] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Embrace, extend, extinguish

[–] iie@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

for anyone not familiar:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

"Embrace, extend, and extinguish" (EEE), also known as "embrace, extend, and exterminate", is a phrase that the U.S. Department of Justice found that was used internally by Microsoft to describe its strategy for entering product categories involving widely used standards, extending those standards with proprietary capabilities, and then using those differences in order to strongly disadvantage its competitors.

[–] Codo@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago

I’m here because I hate what meta and other companies are doing to the web, so I detest it.

[–] TIB3R@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

All instances should defederated with corporation instances ASAP

[–] Zuberi@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

I say we just don't allow them on most kbin/lemmy instances. Let the people decide what info is bullshit or not.

[–] cloaker@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My problem with that is then the fediverse doesn't grow, meta controls the largest instance, and they make money off any posts that go viral here. I have to disagree for those reasons. They can go.

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[–] HealGirl@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Lmao want nothing to do with them. One of the reasons I’m here is to escape these dogshit corpos

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 3 points 2 years ago

We know very little at this point. My view is β€œwait and see”. Little point in speculating about things now IMHO.

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