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Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. Existence is resistance for Palestinians.

Please refer to Israel as Occupied Palestine, or occupied territories. The IDF is a fascist and ethnonationalist occupying force. Israelis are settlers. We understand however that the imperial narrative (which tries to legitimise Israel) is internalised in the imperial core and slip-ups are naturally expected.

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[–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I saw Scott Ritter had some interesting insights that MSM, as usual, is missing: Palestinians have much more will to fight. Israelis are a settler nation and most of them have second citizenships they can flee to. Palestinians don't. For a Palestinian soldier the consequence of surrender is just a slower death than what they'd get if they keep fighting. An Israeli on the battlefield has a lot more to lose from taking any risks compared to fleeing. A Palestinian soldier has nowhere to flee to.

He also noted that if Hezbollah commit as well, all of Israel's neighbours are gonna see it as a now-or-never chance to finally rid themselves of having a nuclear-armed US puppet on their doorstep; and if they don't take it and let Israel make a bloodbath of Gaza and the West Bank, they'll become more stable and consolidated than ever.

[–] GreatWhiteNope@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

In Biden’s speech, he talked about how he spoke to Golda Meir when he was a senator and she told him “We have a secret weapon: we have no where else to go.”

They have a lot more places to go than the people of Palestine.

[–] sovietsnake@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

To add to what you're arguing, every time Gaza is bombarded, more people are displaced, more people are left without a home, more people are radicalized and therefore the number of members in the militia grows. What is someone, who is physically apt to fight, going to do in such a situation? No home, nowhere to go unless you can somewhat cross half of occupied Palestine. Every member of the militia is nothing but a radicalized civilian, and every civilian is a potential militia member.

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is probably why Israel enacted the Hannibal plan, which is essentially that they will kill IOF soldiers before they let them be captured.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israeli Offense/Occupation Force

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nice.

So what were you saying? Israel intends to kill its own instead of letting them get captured?

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's the basis of the "Hannibal" protocol: IOF soldiers are allowed to do everything in their power in order to prevent a capture.

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Can see that back firing a little. If a soldier does have somewhere else to go (foreign passport) and the fighting on the front is bleak, will they flee or stay and risk being killed by their own side? It's got to be an incentive to leave for some. Some will be in it for the fight, but many settlers will be in it for an easier life. As soon as it's not the easier option, I would bet that many will leave.