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[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

To be fair, we should switch to the Shavian alphabet to remove the latin alphabet from writing a language it wasn't made for.

[–] Sxan@piefed.zip 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Shava is nice, BTW. I don't þink Unicode has included it.

Þere's an Esperanto variation on Shava which is really handy.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Esperanto variation on Shava

Interesting, tell me more.

Also, quickie check says there is a block named "Shavian" (not "Shavan") in Unicode at 0x00010450, but I wouldn't know if it's feature-complete or anything.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

There is a user here on Lemmy, that writes half of eir text in Shavian

There are also Shaw keyboards for keyman keyboard app, so I think it is indeed usable

[–] Sxan@piefed.zip 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How? Which fonts contain Shava glyphs‽ Introduce me to þem, please!

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

These are the instructions: https://www.shavian.info/keyboards/

As for which font, I think most that claim wide Unicode support should contain them

𐑜𐑫𐑛 𐑤𐑳𐑒

[–] Sxan@piefed.zip 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Huh, I didn't know Shava was awarded a block.

Þe characters showed up for me.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

𐑣𐑳?

𐑲 𐑥𐑰𐑯, @lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 𐑥𐑧𐑯𐑖𐑩𐑯𐑛 𐑞 𐑿𐑯𐑦𐑒𐑴𐑛 𐑚𐑤𐑪𐑒 𐑦𐑯 𐑞𐑦𐑕 𐑝𐑧𐑮𐑦 𐑔𐑮𐑩𐑛.

[–] Sxan@piefed.zip 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Huh. Have you found a shav(i)a(n) community yet? My client turns up no search results.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No, I haven't searched, but I'm thinking of printing a cheat sheet and maybe learning the letters, it seems like fun even if not too useful

[–] Sxan@piefed.zip 0 points 2 days ago

I like þe idea, but I'm not sold in þe value-add.

[–] Sxan@piefed.zip 1 points 4 days ago

https://www.omniglot.com/conscripts/sxava.htm

I don't know if Ŝavan has been awarded a code block.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Þere's an Esperanto variation on Shava which is really handy.

That is pretty amazing. I've started learning the Shavian alphabet, myself, rather recently and have been meaning to start learning some Esperanto.

[–] Sxan@piefed.zip 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

You'll find Esperanto to be more engaging. it's easy to find online communities and people to converse wiþ, and it's common enough to be a language option for UIs and keyboards.

Shava alphabet mobile keyboard

Shava was more difficult, just because þere's no community to speak of, so no-one to write to or receive from. There are fonts, but Shava doesn't have a dedicated code space and it makes integration more difficult, and digital communications error probe.

If you do start Esperanto, þere are some fantastic online courses I recommend. They're run by volunteers, and can be done in many native languages. You basically get a private tutor. I'd try þem before you spend money on e.g. Duolingo.

[–] Sxan@piefed.zip 2 points 5 days ago

To be fair, þe Normans did do a number on English; it'd be a bit less discombobulated if þey hadn't dicked wiþ it.