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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy dismissed Saturday the planned summit between U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin, warning that any peace deal excluding Kyiv would lead to “dead solutions.”

The meeting, scheduled for Friday in Alaska, is seen as a potential breakthrough after weeks of expressing frustration that more was not being done to quell the fighting.

In a statement posted to Telegram, Zelenskyy said Ukraine’s territorial integrity, enshrined in the constitution, must be non-negotiable and emphasized that lasting peace must include Ukraine’s voice at the table.

Zelenskyy said Ukraine “will not give Russia any awards for what it has done” and that “Ukrainians will not give their land to the occupier.”

Touching on Ukrainian anxieties that a direct meeting between Putin and Trump could marginalize Kyiv and European interests, Zelenskyy said: “Any solutions that are without Ukraine, are at the same time solutions against peace. They will not bring anything. These are dead solutions, they will never work.”

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[–] Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The distinction between "guarantee" and "assurance" is pretty unimportant when it comes to the Budapest Memorandum – the main problem is that all points are just "reaffirmations of commitment", and the UK, US and RF "reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security action [...] if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression [...] in which nuclear weapons are used.

There was never any guarantee, assurance, promise or even just pretension to secure Ukraine against a conventional, non-nuclear aggression. Just well worded empty phrases.

[–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You conveniently removed the part where threat of nukes also triggers this commitment.

"Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".

Fuck putin, fuck russia.

[–] Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why conveniently? Has Moskow ever threatened Ukraine with nukes? I only ever heard unofficial comments that Europe and the US should be afraid of The Mighty Russian Nuklear Force if they dare to ramp up their support for Ukraine.

My point is that the Budapest memorandum was a scam - it does not offer any protection against non-nuclear aggression or threat thereof and offers only the protection of the UNSC in case of nuclear aggression or threat thereof. But the UNSC cannot protect against one of it's veto powers by design, so even in the case of nuclear aggression or threat thereof this memorandum would not work if the UK, the US, the RF, France or China were the aggressor. Israel would likely be backed by the US, North Korea by China, so this memorandum boils down to a pinky promise that the UNSC would express it's dissatisfaction if India or Pakistan attacks Ukraine with nuclear weapons. Or threatens to do so.

[–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The link is my reply. Did you extra conveniently miss it?

[–] Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

Yes. "Fuck putin, fuck russia." did not rise my attention above "I agree". Sorry.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think it's very clear to any non-idiot who in this thread is spewing russian propaganda.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You realize that "we promised Ukraine protection to give up their nukes" is Russian propaganda, right?

Next you're going to tell me "NATO promised Russia to never expand eastward", right?

[–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 week ago

What you're saying is such obvious nonsense that I struggle to even begin to understand how you manage to justify that insane contradiction in your head.