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[–] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 71 points 1 day ago (23 children)

Speaking up isn't going to do anything. It's like walking up to your bully and politely asking them to stop hurting you.

Take a wild guess what ICE, MAGA, and fascists respect? If you answered anything other than "violence" you are part of the reason why this is allowed to happen.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 day ago (19 children)

History shows that when just 3.5 percent of a population—about 12 million Americans—engage in peaceful protest, their demands become nearly impossible to ignore. This is particularly relevant today, as Americans continue to defend due process and health care rights amid a rise in authoritarian policies.

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/how-peaceful-protest-by-just-3-5-percent-of-americans-could-force-major-policy-changes-from-the-trump-administration/

But what is happening in Hong Kong is they come up with a slogan, which is translated as Do Not Split, which is, we know that some people are willing to be confrontational with riot police.

And when they are, that’s going to cost the state in terms of not only resources, but it’s going to cost the state in terms of political capital and support. And we know that there are some people who are not willing to do that. And we are going to abide by the protocol of Do Not Split, which means that we’re not going to criticize them openly, and they’re not going to criticize us openly.

If we’re the pacifists, we’re not going to have them criticize us for being sort of like, I don’t know, limpid or flaccid or not courageous or whatever. And we’re not going to criticize them for being more confrontational. And the thing is that the support is also tacit.

https://sh.itjust.works/post/42969194

[–] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Do you think black American civil rights was won with flowers and sunshine smiles? Your white privilege is showing.

[–] mitch@piefed.mitch.science 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Black American civil rights were struggled for by a rich tapestry of direct action, intellectual analysis, Christian pacifism, liberation through Islam, and Leftist theory and influence. It is not and never was any one thing. Violence was not the only ingredient.

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

But it was an ingredient, and it's hilariously tonedeaf to pretend it's not. Should it be limited where possible? Yes, of course. Hopefully, it's never needed at all!

But lets not pretend solely peaceful protests have ever worked when they weren't backed by the threat of violence if the peaceful protestors were ignored. Even MLK Jr. had Malcolm X looming over his shoulder, daring people to try shit... and even then, MLK Jr. still got assassinated for daring improve american citizen's rights.

As for constantly parroting the Hong Kong protests... you do realize that the Hong Kong protestors lost, right? Why are you using them as a guide for what to do?

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 5 points 1 day ago

Because they want the left to lose.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 4 points 1 day ago

liberation through Islam

Fucking lol. There’s no liberation when religion is involved.

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