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cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/25779751

The intative promises to be privacy-friendly with no tracking. Stating:

Your privacy is important. The WiFi4EU app ensures a private online experience with no tracking or data collection. Simply connect and enjoy free public Wi-Fi without concerns.

Source: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/wifi4eu-citizens

Will be interesting to see how this spans and plays out in reality. Looks promising too, did a quick scan of their builtin permissions and trackers and looks good too. (Scanning tool is called Exodus)

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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 68 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Title is wrong. It's an old initiative, not even funded anymore. Ran from 2018 to 2020 with 120 Million EUR.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

One of their access points has saved my skin twice now in the past 2 months, so I'm happy it exists.

[–] AlsaValderaan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 3 days ago

A bit offtopic about a pet peeve of mine, but this is why it'd be super nice if social media that end up getting screenshot had absolute timestamps. Thank you for letting us know.

[–] Sunny@slrpnk.net 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

my bad! I misread the context and had not heard of it before - yet living in the EU. I will change the title. I got confused as I saw their post on LinkedIn, and it was posted recently: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/european-commission_wifi4eu-activity-7359136374895046656-oXYi

[–] viking@infosec.pub 7 points 3 days ago

It's still active as in, they maintain the hotspots. But I just had a look at the map, and it looks like there's spotty service mostly clustered around tiny villages, rather than providing coverage to areas that actual get significant tourism or other visitors.

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

35E/month per access point for 3 years, it's not too bad if they got actual use, if that means where ever you go there will be free internet at hand that can be relied upon and that will even save the precious RF bandwidth of cell phone towers and reduces cell phone subscription by an equivalent amount

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

if that means where ever you go there will be free internet at hand that can be relied upon

Yeah if that were the case it could be useful. Unfortunately the map looks pretty bad: https://wifi4eu.ec.europa.eu/#/list-accesspoints

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They seem pretty evenly distributed to me ?

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sure there are a few everywhere, but the big gaps are the issue.

For example in your screenshot if you zoom in on Poitiers you'll see there are none there, only in the two northern neighbor communes Neuville de Poitou and Jaunay-Clan. Similar for Nantes, none there, they are all in Saint-Sébastien-Sur-Loire and Thouaré-sur-Loire, the center and all the other suburbs have nothing.

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

Ah ok yes I see what you mean, Poitiers has none and is clearly some big place While "Le Bourg" probably a rich place, has a whole bunch of them

Of course getting the density of Poitiers for all of Europe on 120 million for 3 years is never going to happen on this approach.

Even though 35$/month per hotspot is reasonable. It's just not the right approach. In reality nearly every single building in Europe has an internet connection and wifi routers.

Since there is not really such a thing as "keeping the RF spectrum of wifi to oneself" The logical approach would have been to socially engineer the default that ALL wifi hotspot would offer any random guest, free throttled courtesy internet access. Something that the ISPs have fervently opposed, something industry has made sure would not happen, at least not by accident. Through hardware design and the dissemination of horror stories. A more competent state would have used this money to just massage the existing infrastructure in opening up to their fellow citizens rather than try and build a parallel infrastructure with brute force money.

I hope they get their shit together and strong arm vendors into a more pro-social private infrastructure, since that essentially free at this point for all intents and purposes.