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[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 23 hours ago (64 children)

It's as hominem to abandon your position and instead insult me, especially after this dumb attempt at a gotcha that is you haven't figured out also means you agree it's a sexist slur. So I dunno, good job there genius.

[–] null@lemmy.nullspace.lol 0 points 23 hours ago (63 children)

What position have I abandoned? I've simply followed your logic that says anyone who uses the word "manspain" in any context is a bigot.

Show me the inconsistency.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 23 hours ago (62 children)

You doesn't respond to a single one, you insulted me that's called abandoninga position to attack me instead ie: ad hominem.

Nope not at all. I said it's a bigoted word and if you use it as it's intended you're a bigot. This isn't difficult.

Show me the inconsistency.

All the parts you're intentionally ignoring to make your dipshit gotcha point.

[–] null@lemmy.nullspace.lol 0 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

So you can't show me how my conclusion isn't sound based on the logic you laid out?

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I have. Many times, you refuse to accept the obvious and ignore everything I've said that doesn't support your point. Why should I prove anything to you at this point, you don't care about the point you care about winning which is why you insult me when you can't think of an argument.

You're a bully, so why should anyone play with you let alone me?

[–] null@lemmy.nullspace.lol 0 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

This is what we're doing now?

[–] null@lemmy.nullspace.lol 0 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

That's really up to you.

You can either demonstrate how your logic doesn't result in you calling yourself a bigot, or concede that you are one.

You keep saying it's an ad hominem, but I'm not saying your argument is invalid because you're a bigot.

I'm saying either your logic isn't sound, or if it is, then you must conclude that you are a bigot as a result of it.

You refuse to concede that your logic isn't sound, so therefore...

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

A. I'm not saying it isn't bigoted.

B. How can we discuss this subject without me necessarily use it.

C. Using a word as an example isn't the same as using it in it's intended context.

D. You didn't make an argument you made an insult that didn't even particularly make sense but it's intent was clear. That's ad hominem, trying to hedge your way out by claiming it's part of this brilliant scheme you think you're conducting is at best disingenuous.

E. No I lost conclude you don't understand logic, example, reasoning or basic critical thinking.

I won't concede something that isn't factual, you're celebrating a win when you're at the starting line homie.

[–] null@lemmy.nullspace.lol 0 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm not saying it isn't bigoted.

That's not what I said. Read more carefully.

I said your logic concludes that you are bigoted for using it.

How can we discuss this subject without me necessarily use it.

You probably can't, which really puts you in a corner, logically.

Using a word as an example isn't the same as using it in it's intended context.

You previously stated that it is sexist in any context. So that's irrelevant.

You didn't make an argument you made an insult that didn't even particularly make sense but it's intent was clear.

My argument is perfectly clear: it's that your logic is flawed.

That's ad hominem

Again, no it's not. An ad hominem is when you use a character attack to discredit an argument. That's not what I'm doing.

No I lost

Lol

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world -1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

That's exactly what you're arguing.

No it concedes that I'm using a bigoted word in a discussion about said bigoted word. It's really not hard to figure out unless you're trying to be blind.

Not at all, I know it's bigoted, you just admitted it was bigoted and thus you agree with me. Duh.

It is, you can't remove the racist insult from the hard r and you can't erase the sexism from mansplaining they are inherent.

No your argument is janky at best and we know that because you devolved to insults rather than discussion.

It is though it is amusing you just described what just did as your example of ad hominem.

An error? Who makes those?! Grow up

[–] null@lemmy.nullspace.lol 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

"My argument is perfectly clear: it’s that your logic is flawed."

That’s exactly what you’re arguing.

Yeah no shit, that's why I said it...

No it concedes that I’m using a bigoted word

Correct, which, by your logic, makes you a sexist:

When it’s a sexist term you’re going to be assigned to be sexist just like I’m not stopping to ask the person dropping hard r’s if they think they’re racist

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

That's not what I said. Read more carefully.

That's what I was referring to, clearly. Though I love how your argument style just keeps getting more and more disingenuous and rude.

No it means I exampled a bigoted word in a discussion about that word, there's a huge difference between an academic discussion and using it in my day to day life.

If that's the way you need to see it to accept that it is on fact sexist then yes, sure. If rather you think I'm a bigot then you actually be a bigot and use bigoted terms.

Yeah except that's me and we know I don't mean it given the plethora of context but please try to climb that pile you insist on greasing.

[–] null@lemmy.nullspace.lol 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

That's what I was referring to, clearly.

So your response to "That's not what I said" is "That's exactly what you're arguing?"

Even though I explained it to you right after that line?

I said your logic concludes that you are bigoted for using it.

Weird.

No it concedes that I'm using a bigoted word in a discussion about said bigoted word.

Correct. And:

When it’s a sexist term you’re going to be assigned to be sexist

So, according to you:

  • The word is bigoted/sexist no matter the context
  • Using a bigoted/sexist term means you are going to be assigned to be sexist
  • You used a bigoted/sexist term

Pretty simple stuff, guy. No one made you say these things. You can't be mad at me because you painted yourself into a corner.

Yeah except that's me and we know I don't mean it given the plethora of context

Contradicts with:

When it’s a sexist term you’re going to be assigned to be sexist

Which is it?

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Jesus Christ, you're somehow losing the ability to follow a conversation.

Why are you quoting yourself?

It is sexist no matter the context, I'm not using it against anyone so I'm not a bigot I'm just exampling a bigoted word. You're being obtuse. Is there a way to remove the intended insult from the hard r? No. Can you remove the intended insult from mansplaining? No. So both of those are always bigoted at times you might argue there's some moral reason to do it but that's all ex post facto.

It's sexist. If you need to see me as a bigot to get that across the so be it but you know as well as I do your argument is void of logic.

[–] null@lemmy.nullspace.lol 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

So it seems like what you're trying to say is that it's possible for you to use that word without being a sexist, depending on the context?

Yes or no?

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Use it in a sentence in the correct context, I'll leave it to you to prove you can remove the insult from it.

No, its always sexist. Point to where I said the person using it is always a sexist. What I've said is if you're saying someone is mansplaining you're in fact a sexist and I've said you cannot remove the intended insult.

[–] null@lemmy.nullspace.lol 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Let's try this again.

Yes or no:

Is it possible for you to use the word "mansplain" without being a sexist, depending on the context?

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Yes. We've gone over this. You can use it without being a sexist.

You cannot use it in the proper context without being a sexist ie. "Greg is mansplaining baseball." Because that's clearly a sexist insult.

Your think you're making a point but you're just rehashing shut you've apparently forgotten.

[–] null@lemmy.nullspace.lol 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Great!

So can you give me a single example of a scenario where a woman could:

  • assess an interaction she had with a man,
  • deem his behaviour to be "misogynistic",
  • not be a sexist herself?
[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

We've done this, you're rehashing your stupid argument again.

https://lemmy.world/comment/18496795

[–] null@lemmy.nullspace.lol 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Max depth reached.

True or false:

Giving an example of a scenario is a different action from stating that you believe such a scenario could exist.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

That's still not an answer to my question...

Turns out you weren't even asking a question you're demanding an example, your inconsistencies are just stacking up bud.

Forgive me here, at what point in this prolonged attempt to jam your head as deeply as possible into your own ass does this end or is this some sort of masturbatory ouroboros?

[–] null@lemmy.nullspace.lol 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Nowhere in that thread did you answer that question. Feel free to quote your answer and prove me wrong.

Let's try again:

Can you give me a single example of a scenario where a woman could:

  • assess an interaction she had with a man,
  • deem his behaviour to be "misogynistic",
  • not be a sexist herself?
[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago

Then you aren't reading.

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