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Your right I don't care. Fanatics care about things no one else does. I don't have many bugs with ubuntu and any that I do are usually trivial. You keep saying its bad but its not my experience. My experience started with Slackware. I still have a Slackware box that I still compile my own kernel on from time to time to keep in the know on kernel changes. I'm not by any metric an amateur. I'm sure some of these bugs seem unique and are a major problem for you.
I've tried mint and wasted my time with arch. I'm installed them all. I've even created my own. None of them have ever brought anything game changing to the table. I've seen bugs with every distro. Somehow to you these bugs are worse. I can clearly see they are similar to other distros and the bugs they have.
In reference to what you prefer. Its clear you don't prefer ubuntu and you have continually mentioned it. So don't pretend you don't have a preference. Disguising it as some general disdain on how canonical operates doesn't negate its clearly your preference. You will not change my mind and I don't want to change yours. You seem like you just can't take I don't care about how you see it any other way than personally.
Other linux companies? Of which I really only know of three in total all do things that people don't like
Red Hat(IBM) killed centos and I moved all my servers over to straight debian the week after their announcement. I didn't like it but I didn't foam at the mouth about it. They also clamped down on their sources so fedora is going to become increasingly obscure. Kind of like SCO became. They wont die that death but I look at Red Hat as a dead end.
SUSE has never been a distro I've used. No reason really. I always had other options. Their decisions were business ones and therefore unpopular to some.
Canonical is doing it their way and they are doing a good job. You can't deny that but Its clear you don't like it. I would really like you to stop generalizing and give me a specific bug they have out of the box that isn't tied to some specific hardware. I don't pay for ESM but I use it since I only have two Ubuntu machines that I use personally.
In the unlikely event anyone else bothers to read this. I will speak to you what I've said elsewhere in this thread. Find something you like and stick with it and don't let someone elses problem become yours.
I must have mistakenly given the impression that I’m a fanatic, or that I care about what other users (like yourself) use. I really don’t. To the extent that I care, it’s only because Ubuntu is a headache to me, even though I don’t use it. My problem with this conversation is that you keep asking (or more accurately, challenging) me to provide you with specific details, then when I do, you pretend like I’m trying to convince you not to use Ubuntu.
I’ve given you the reasons why I and other software developers don’t like Ubuntu and what you can get from other distros that you can’t get from Ubuntu, because you asked me to provide those details. I completely understand why those details don’t matter to you, because I’m assuming you’ve not experienced their negative effects. You asked me for details, and I figured that was because you wanted to learn someone else’s perspective. I apologize for the misunderstanding.
So no details just a vague dislike.
Take any topic about anything and you can find people who dislike it. You have given no details and only offered generalizations while never mentioning any other distros problems. Absolutely nothing I could go look at and confirm. I'm sure it seem definitive to you but the rest of us want something other than opinion. Specific doesn't mean the same thing to the rest of us.
Good day.
Serious question. Have you read anything I’ve said?
My partner is a luddite and needs help setting up a new cell phone, and had been avoiding linux because he thought it was just for programmers. I put Ubuntu on his machine back in '10, and he hasn't run into problems with it because he only uses Firefox and LibreOffice.
I do a lot on this machine. The last three days I've been compiling openwrt for a extreme ap. They are a cloud ap and eol. I've compiled a firmware for them and put in a custom initial config so they will be in ap mode and will work when they are plugged up at a router with no config. We have thirty of them at work and are donating them. I am almost done since I'm changing the ssid and passwords for each of them. I do a lot with ubuntu and it just works. I have little time for people that insist that its somehow garbage.