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Couldn't this character be considerably more effective at hating plants by say, breeding swarms of locusts?
... Would they consider eating locusts... to be eating meat?
No, hey, actually serious:
Vegans, does a locust, a cricket, an ant... does eating a bug count as eating a sentient, emotionally feeling, living being?
Yes, it counts to the point there are vegans not eating figs because of the insect pollinator dies inside the fruit. I eat figs because that's just the natural life cycle for that species.
From time to time I see a debate about animals like clams, which have no central nervous system and therefore lack the capability to suffer. Usually the approach to this is "if it tries to hide/run from me, I won't eat it" and a little less "I won't eat them because of the ecological impact".
I appreciate the answer!
I myself am not a vegan at all, in practice, though I am familiar with ... many of the frames that you can look at meat consumption through, and, correctly, imo, conclude that it is a wasteful, destructive, and morally dubious practice... and I do try to minimize my meat intake, but its fairly difficult when I am disabled, don't have a car, can't do significant meal prep due to injuries, live off of disability pay alone, can barely afford to get groceries delivered to me, because no local food banks or charities that I qualify for do actual home delivery.
I've been moving toward a lot more shelf stable, basic type stuff lately, rice and beans... but also crockpot soups with meat, spam is fairly simple to cook..., so, yeah, I am not a vegan.
But uh, the 'if it tries to run away' metric seems to be roughly where I would land on this as well... I guess I would just the line a bit higher than ... a clam... I personally would think that... basically most insects (ararchnids are another story)... from what I understand of their neurology... they do not really seem to be capable of suffering...
https://www.sciencealert.com/insects-probably-do-feel-pain-similar-to-how-we-do-scientists-argue
Well fuck, I am generally apparently wrong about that.
Thank you, and again the other replier, for spurring me to give this subject more consideration.
I know it can be difficult, specially depending on where you live. I live in what could be considered a privileged country regarding access to food, specially fresh produce an vegan options; since what now are called walkable cities are the common thing in Europe distance is no issue either.
If you can, and I know is a big "if" (price and availability where you live), I would recommend you to try and add textured soy protein to your diet. It's dry, so it's light and you can store it for a long time, and it's really versatile and easy to use.
Your situation is what it is because the system is what it is and individually we can do practically nothing to change it, you do what you can do and you shouldn't feel bad for not being able to do more. First you have to take care of yourself. /hug
Yeah, I am not only currently in a very, very unwalkable city...
I also literally cannot walk, not much further than uh... half a kilometer, without extreme pain, and that is using a cane and braces.
Fortunately my physical therapy is yielding good results in terms of regaining range of motion and stamina, but it is slow and painful.
That being said, a year ago, I was in a wheel chair.
So the improvements are real.
Hopefully by either the autumn or winter I'll be mostly back to my previous level of mobility, and able to rent a car or moving truck or something and move to a less shitty area.
What makes me really sad about this is that there are so many people who advocate against walkability, claiming that it's because of people like you who would, in their warped view, be inconvenienced by walkability. Even though reading your own comments it's pretty clear you know that's a load of bullshit. It's not as though wheelchairs, adaptive bikes/trikes, and mobility scooters don't become a hell of a lot easier to use when you can use a safe, separated bike lane to travel 5 km, than they are if the trip is 15 km along wide stroads with no footpath. 🙄
Oh yeah, absolutely, it is ludicrous when people do that.
If you have decent sidewalks, intetsections that are not a 1/2 mile apart, and god forbid, regular low grade inclines at crossings and other places, so that a wheel chair bound person could actually get around?
Well then blamo, throw a back pack on the frame of your chair/scooter, now you can actually go to a local bodega and buy some groceries!
Makes it easier for people who use a cane or crutches, or have a non obvious outwardly presenting neurological or muscular condition of some kind, etc.
But, US infrastructure broadly isn't ADA compliant in the poorer areas seriously disabled people most commonly live... and we literally can't, or struggle much more seriously in physically getting to an actual town hall.
Fucking... after a two months of aquatherapy, well now all I have the option to do is show up for basically the night swim at the therapy pool.
My problem is not that I need directed care ... I was taught the excercizes/stretches, learned them, remembered them. I do the ones I can at home, out of a pool, every damned day.
The problem is it costs 5 dollars, in cash only, to attend.
I can't fucking get to an ATM!
I told them this and they just said uh well you'll figure it out.
Nope, never did.
There are no ATMs within over a mile of a walking roundtrip from me.
And the sidewalks don't even exist near where I live, and/or they are cratering into sinkholes or erupting out of the ground. No joke, there's one spot where the ground expanded and the sidewalk is entirely snapped in half, at about 40 degree angles.
But at this point, I am extremely used to falling through the cracks in systems, that are designed based on assumptions... that make no sense to hold, because ostensibly the entire point of these systems is that they are to help those who do not have those basic societal assumptions.
You tell people in these systems this, and every fucking time, no one has ever told them this before, this thought had never occured to them, or they get angry at you.
It is astounding.