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Whataboutism is itself a thought-terminating cliché.
Citations Needed podcast: Whataboutism - The Media's Favorite Rhetorical Shield Against Criticism of US Policy
That's an interesting excerpt. I always thought the proper response to an identified whatabout is to simply say "I asked you first." -That's assuming the opposite party refused to respond to the initial premise, argument, or question. I imagine if they did respond to the initial premise, argument, or question then asking whatabout... is just a standard form of discussion and debate, or so I'd think.
The modern whataboutism is the bothsidesism.
Basically a straight up admition that they're both meaningless though terminating cliches
Another straw man. You guys are on a roll.
What is cliché is resorting to strawman arguments and whataboutism/bothsidesism when your dogmatic incantations don't win the day. They are the refuge of the weak. Attempting to devalue the ideas is a transparent effort to reduce the impact of your weakness being labelled, It's the same as white supremacists loudly calling out Godwin's Law when they are rightly labelled as Nazis or Zionists labelling legitimate criticism of the actions of the state of Israel antisematism. Mike Godwin himself said, "By all means, compare these assholes to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you."
Man, you really can't stop yourself from talking like the biggest reddit smuglord loser alive
Ad hominem. You just can't help yourself.
Have a good faith conversation. As long as you use these super weak devices I'm going to call them out. I don't care what names you call me or what insults you hurl.
Still going down your list of magic debate spells, wandering why none of them are working