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One of the few times "both sides" is not only accurate but appropriate.
Maybe it's accurate more than you think
If people can come together on this, it could be the moment the USA tears down the entire establishment and probably gets rid of the two-party system.
God I wish I had that naive enthusiasm still.
lol
Sadly, that won't happen if both D's and R's have people or large financial supporters on the list. Best case I can imagine is that those top people end up in jail which shakes up both parties. The 2 party system is a result of our voting system (winner takes all for most positions), so it's bad to have a 3rd party similar to your own (which gets your own voters potentially siphoned off), or have be a 3rd party similar to another party (which means you're weakening the party closest to your own, and helping the party most different from yours). regardless of whether it affects the 2 party system, getting that list published is important for justice.
It's likely heavily reinforced by your voting system but 2 party systems aren't unique to that system, even in theoretically better voting systems you frequently end up with very similar results. Australia as a case in point. That said if current electoral trends continue we could be seeing the end of that here and at least our system theoretically allows that to happen.
Different policies, same people.
This is also the same thing that makes them vastly different.
We call for the heads of the corrupt on our side instead of worship them.
Ive heard that many Republicans are pissed at Trump and Co about the lack of progress here since child trafficking was a big part of the QAnon bullshit. On the left, many people were willing to forgive genocide to get a paltry win at the ballot box so I can't say either side really has the high ground.
No, "the left" HAS NEVER forgiven genocide. In fact, that's a BIG part of why Harris lost: many actual leftists couldn't stomach voting for someone that was going to continue support for Israel.
Forgive may be a bit generous, at least in a lot of cases, I'd even argue most cases. We knew it was an inevitability with the only choices we had.