Russia is liberating people from that. I just hope that they will be able to liberate the whole Ukraine instead of just 4 regions (even if it's probably unrealistic and not their goal..).

[–] caboose2006@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Last I checked Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. Putin did that. Then Putin began a major offensive in 2022, causing an existential crisis for Ukraine. If Russia really cared about "saving" they would leave, and the "kidnapping" wouldnstop. None of it started until Russia invaded. This "kidnapping" you speak of is Ukraine enforcing it's conscription laws, laws that have been expanded because of Putin's brutal actions. Russia does the same thing to it's people. And try skipping the draft in South Korea or Israel. They don't take kindly to that either.

Tell me, how many Ukrainians have you spoken to since the Russia restarted it's brutal war of aggression in 2022? My guess is zero.

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

If Russia really cared about "saving" they would leave, and the "kidnapping" wouldnstop.

They liberate the people from Zelensky's regime, people that decided they don't want to be under his rule.

This "kidnapping" you speak of is Ukraine enforcing it's conscription laws

And Russia is liberatong people from being kidnapped. From regime of people like you, who think that kidnapping and killing people can be justified.

Tell me, how many Ukrainians have you spoken to since the Russia restarted it's brutal war of aggression in 2022? My guess is zero.

I am Ukrainian. My family is Ukrainian. More than half of my friends ar Ukrainian. Some of my colleagues are Ukrainian. Some of them are living good lives, because like me, they either legally or illegally managed to leave Ukraine. Some of them are still in Zelensky's prison and live in fear of being kidnapped and killed. I say that Russia liberates Ukraine because I know what happens there and I have some basic empathy towards other people, in contrast to fascist.worlders. Zelensky blesses TCC animals to kidnap people off the street. Russia sends drones and rockets into TCC buildings. It's pretty obvious who is liberating people and who abuses them.

[–] caboose2006@lemmy.world 0 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

By that logic every country should invade every other country to "save" the population that didn't vote for the party currently in power. You truly are braindead. Your thinking is not based in reality. I hope the russians "liberate" you.

If Russia is so good to Ukrainians then why aren't you there? I'm starting to think you're a liar. Just kidding I've known you were a liar from the start. every Ukrainian me and my wife know, and there are dozens, both in the country still and outside, know that Russian "liberation" is a death sentence.

You're a liar and a charlatan. Have the day you deserve

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

By that logic every country should invade every other country to "save" the population that didn't vote for the party currently in power.

No need, only the countries where the power is grabbed by people who kidnap and terrorize the population please :)

If Russia is so good to Ukrainians then why aren't you there?

I am from a territory that is not yet liberated by Russia. Obviously I cannot return there anytime soon, because if I do I will be trapped in Zelensky's prison like everybody else. But even if it gets librrated, I currently have more economic opportunities elsewhere, so until retirement I will probably at most visit "there" (but again only if the territory gets liberated).

know that Russian "liberation" is a death sentence.

Ask them what happens when someone gets kidnapped by TCC ;)

You know, I of course also have a few "friends" who support Zelensky's regime, also both in and outside of Ukraine. You know how they are different from the rest? They are also fascists, like you, and also like you they do not need to be afraid of getting kidnapped and meatgrinded (either because they are not Ukrainians, are rich, or also escaped Ukraine). So, their logic is also like yours, somethig like "Russian orcs are invaders and we should fight them, kidnapping is justified. Me? No no, here is a list of reasons I cannot fight, even tho I want to... But other people, they should fight and die for Ukrainian glory!!"