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[–] fake_meows@sopuli.xyz 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Those are also technologies, just not high tech.

Here is a question then:

According to the science, the ocean current changes are going to start driving climate change via a doubling of present day CO2. When the permafrost melts it will create as much additional CO2 as all human industry does on a repeating annual basis right now. This is an all natural process where CO2 pollution will snowball faster and faster with no human ability to adjust it.

so, do you think natural processes like growing trees have the potential where they going to erase that much feedback? Keeping in mind that the peat bogs, forests and ocean plankton we have today in a less damaged ecosystem ALREADY failed to curtail a much smaller human created CO2 pulse?

Hmm?

What you're talking about is BECCS, by the way. Believe me or don't, but the UN climate change panel already included this in all the accounting! Like, what the projections for the future say is that we are going to invent these technologies and deploy them and erase the CO2, and that's assumed to be real and already factored into all the future projections...and they are still talking about 8 degrees of warming even including that. Notwithstanding that we have never done this yet and don't know if it works.

[–] houseofleft@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 hours ago

I guess maybe I'm missing something?

You're arguing like current climate models predict 8 degrees warming, but my understanding is that a worst case scenario is 4 degrees- the best reference I can find is UN climate summit comparisons[0].

Do you have any references of stuff predicting 8 degrees or is it your personal prediction? If it's the second, I don't really have the knowledge to debate current climate models. If it's the first link me some stuff!

My understanding (based on reading around and nothing else, I'm not a climate scientist) is we're at 2 degrees already, 3 degrees is likely and 4 degrees would be close enough to catastrophic that talking about 5 degrees isn't worthwhile. There's still margin for human society to stop the worst of outcomes.

[0]https://unclimatesummit.org/comparing-climate-impacts-at-1-5c-2c-3c-and-4c/