So apparently for lemmy.world mods pointing out that the word "anti-semite" is far more used than "antigypsyism, anti-Romanyism, antiziganism, ziganophobia, or Romaphobia” even though the Nazis targetted both Jews and Roma in the Holocaust, is, somehow, "Criticizing Jewish people as a whole".
Or maybe it's the whole "I don't care about any one specific race, I care about people and think it's always unjusct when people are treated differently based on things they were born with, such as race" that was deemed "Criticizing Jewish people as a whole".
Good old lemmy.world: they were called on it repeatedly so eventually walked back on the whole "criticizing Israel is anti-semitic" but apparently if you don't go along with the view that racism against a very specific group is much worse than racism against people from other groups, then you must be against that specific ethnic group.
My comment in text for reference:
All clearly as frequently used as "anti-semitism" /s
And yeah, I don't care about race, any race, I care about people, which includes that they're not unjustly treated for things that were not their choice, such as the race they were born into.
It's Racists who feel the need to care about a race or races, defending things for some races which they do noit defend for others, doing little performances about how others must care about those races too and that those who don't "are against those races" - for them race comes first, defining a person and dictating how they should be treated.
For Humanists race is something that should be of as little importance to how somebody is treated as the color of their eyes or how tall they are, and yet they see again and again race weponized by Racists to treat people differently even though those people haven't actually earned such treatment through their actions: in other words race fro Humanists is something that should be irrelevant yet has been turned by others into a pivot for injustice.
It's pretty obvious from your little performance which one you are
Take care buddy. Poking this shit is stressful as it is, no need to make yourself worse.
I'll just mention one factual error in your writing, that discussions and disagreements about the fate of Jews among Nazis are unthinkable. 1939-1940 discussions about the Gypsy Question were in the same period that the Nazis were debating what to do to the Jews. In the summer of 1940 the Nazis were approving the Madagascar Plan. It was in January 1941 when they decided on the Final Solution. Until then they were putting Jews in ghettos "pending a decision". Which means, there were discussions ongoing up until the Wannsee Conference.
Again, take care, none of this is worth your health.
You are right, and thank you.
Still, I have to add one small thing, quickly, because I did indeed not communicate what I meant well for that point: My point there was about Himmler having (superstitiously) thought of some "pure" Roma people potentially being essentially a worthy "Aryan precursor race" - that belief also being connected to his expeditions to Tibet/India. That was the point I maintain would have been completely unthinkable for Nazis to even entertain for Jewish people, whom they deemed as fundamentally, irredeemably evil and without worth. And while, yes, things like the Madagascar plan (essentially a less direct form of genocide) were discussed, I maintain, that the implementation of finding, registering and exterminating of Jewish people after it was decided upon as a "solution" was more "urgent" to the Nazi state.
We are all living the intergenerational consequences of the crimes and delusions of those fuckers.
My Greek yiayia was talking about being a kid during the occupation and being hungry. Intergenerational trauma: I feel horrible throwing expired bread away. They supposedly admired us for being Greeks and at the same time subjected us to famine and massacres.
I maintain that it is also intergenerational trauma and abuse that we are brought to splitting hairs about ordering nightmares.
Take care.