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How anyone serious can side with taiwan, other than maybe some nazis, is beyond me.
US/UK/EU/AU/NZ Media:
"Taiwan is freedom and democracy."
"China is authoritarian. (Shows footage of police retaliating against ultra-aggressive Hong Kong rioters or journalists doing reporting on the middle of a busy road or someone's garden before being ushered away by traffic cops or security)"
Done.
I get the propaganda but even some serious people seem to buy these images. They of course dont look to LA, for some pure democracy to compare to.
And now, all those has gone, and Hong Kong is over financially :) By the way, how the Society or Politics classes in the new Hong Kong education system?
Well most of Taiwan is ready to unify, it's mostly the ruling class propped up by the US opposed to it. With the issues they have created for Taiwanese semiconductor companies there are probably even former loyalists ready to turn tail and run.
It's really the US - which can only dream of a war across the Pacific now - which wants a military confrontation. Mainland China will become too lucrative for Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea to ignore the more the US financial stranglehold starts to slip & China develops. Peaceful reunification is inevitable and war is merely possible now
No doubt that the elites don't want reunification, but it seems like the population doesn't want it either. I couldn't find any poll that had more than 11-15% of people in favor of reunification.
Here I'll ping you when I pull it up and make a full post about it, I really only do nude links through the share button and arguing on my phone lol. Polls are funny it really depends on what questions you ask people, and who you ask
Think of it this way, who in Taiwan is ready to go without the mainland economy? Who is ready for war? Who believes the US will be more reliable in the future? Would be better to support it with data but I am lazy. Those who want to maintain a separate system for Taiwan see the mainland as a better partner than the US, and long term hardliners' fears of reunification will be realized in the political situation that develops out of the new Pacific centered around China rather than the US, as finance adjusts to recognize it
Thanks!
Well to address the second paragraph: Most polls show a plurality to want to maintain the Status Quo: de facto Independence, dealing with both the Mainland and the US. I would not go so far as to call that "ready for unification".
Not cutting out the US doesn't matter if it has nothing to offer other than Nancy Pelosi lol. I'll have to look into polling more later but it's not the whole basis of what I'm talking about, rather the lack of hostilities and the economic crosslinking with the mainland. There's a reason the US is frantic to push for a war it can't have, they can't provide any alternative system long-term even if they're included
I get why government opposing china would, what I dont get is regular people who are serious about this. Sure there is the propagandized herd, but even some smarter people I know seem to have weird sinophobic preconceptions about this. All europeans.
The Euros on here are crazy, over on dbzero Germans are trying to convince me that it was good for their green revolution to destroy their nuclear power, destroy their largest source of fossil fuels, and that evil Russians destroyed their green industrial capacity and made them sanction China's green industry
Yeah I second that my german friend seems by far most against china, hes quite educated so especially on taiwan he conceded the international law, but idk why german media is so biased on this.
they just don't want a stronger china that challenges the world financial dictatorship whom germany forms part of.
regular people from the imperial core want things to stay as they are because the current status quo benefits them more often than not.
Taiwan is not sovereign, the government is a us puppet state, which is armed by us in gross violation of the us one china policy. If us puppet is your view of democracy then I see why you have no issue. All since beginning KMT was so horribly undemocratic, that even the maoists seemed very moderate. Some of the most vile stuff ive ever read came from kmt white terror(even wiki has some). I hope that im wrong, but the germans seem to like former nazi friendly states. Kmt had numerous connections to fascists and nazis.
Taiwanese are rich thanks to massive investments from US. As for the comparison to mainland, cpc managed an unprecedented in history wealth creation, comparing small part of china which received massive foreign capital inflow seems almost unreasonable.
Many taiwanese have also mainland residence, talk about not benefiting. What exactly do you mean by pro cpc propaganda? I get it it sounds bad, but why is it ok to run political ads in west and not in east?
i swear these idiots think history started 3 years ago and taiwan had no connection to China.
jesus christ, do you not know that taiwan was the retreat base of the losing faction of the civil war? they're literally chinese and speak mandarin and other variation of dialects coming from mainland lmao. the kuomintang ruled with an iron fist for decades up until recently, they also purged any opposition on the island (look up the White terror), isn't it curious how all these "free" democracies were imposed by force?
The Wikipedia page for Taiwan alone would prove this to be utterly false[^1]. How can you speak with such authority when you know you’re talking out your ass?
The rest of you what you wrote isn’t much better. It’s just the standard anti-China & anti-communist Western propaganda talking points.
What do you think this is, Reddit?
[^1]: Excepting the tiny minority of indigenous Formosans, whom the fascist KMT overran them when it retreated from the mainland..
Hong Kong turned out totally fine after that went back to China right? So much freedom of speech and movement over there now.
Ah you're still jerking off to those protestors burning people alive are you? Reddit during the heyday of the Hong Kong riots was probably your gig
Well what exactly did they lose? (im aware of the repression, but what exactly do you mean) Not to say this is completely legal. The western backed protests did their part, make cpc look bad. But compared to LA for example shooting with rubber of foreign journalists, holding a protester down and repeatedly trampling him with a horse, unmarked ice illegaly detaining brown people. Common argument i read was that these illegals and aliens should not behave like this in MY country. Freedom of speech. Meh I agree western democracy is different.
Now they are no longer ruled by a racist monarchy on the other side of the world. Finally. Death to the gammon empire
They're completely fine lmao, literally just go and visit hong kong and macao.
Most of Taiwan? /doubt
Back that up with some proof and polls from neutral (non ccp or US) sources
Why do you keep talking about polls which I did not mention? Did South Korea and Japan get polled after the tariff debacle began, or was there an irreversible breaking of trust with the ruling class of the country that has done everything it can to maintain its position? I'm talking about the cultural and economic crosslinking that is taking place which is breaking the Pacific away from the US