New Communities
A place to post new communities all over Lemmy for discovery and promotion.
Rules
The rules for behavior are a straight carry over of Mastodon.World's rules. You can click the link but we've reposted them here in brief, as a guideline. We will continue to use the Mastodon.World rules as the master list. Over all, be nice to each other and remember this isn't a community built around debate. For the rules about formatting your posts, scroll down to number 2.
1. Follow the rules of Mastodon.world, which can be found here.
A. Provide an inclusive and supportive environment. This means if it isn't rulebreaking and we can't be supportive to them then we probably shouldn't engage.
B. No illegal content.
C. Use content warnings where appropriate. This means mark your submissions NSFW if need be.
D. No uncivil behavior. This includes, but is not limited to: Name Calling; Bullying; Trolling; Disruptive Commenting; or Personal Criticisms.
E. No Harrassment. As an example in relation to Transgender people this includes, deadnaming, misgendering, and promotion of conversion therapy. Similarly Misogyny, Misandry, and Racism are also banned here.
2. Include a community or instance title and description in your post title. - A following example of this would be New Communities - A place to post new communities or instances all over Lemmy for discovery and promotion.
3. Follow the formatting. - The formatting as included below is important for people getting universal links across Lemmy as easily as possible.
Formatting
Please include this following format in your post:
[link text](/c/community@instance.com)
This provides a link that should work across instances, but in some cases it won't
You should also include either:
or instance.com/c/community
FAQ:
Q: Why do I get a 404?
A: At least one user in an instance needs to search for a community before it gets fetched. Searching for the community will bring it into the instance and it will fetch a few of the most recent posts without comments. If a user is subscribed to a community, then all of the future posts and interactions are now in-sync.
Q: When I try to create a post, the circle just spins forever. Why is that?
A: This is a current known issue with large communities. Sometimes it does get posted, but just continues spinning, but sometimes it doesn't get posted and continues spinning. If it doesn't actually get posted, the best thing to do is try later. However, only some people seem to be having this problem at the moment.
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As an atheist I never got the point of evangelizing atheism. Isn't that half the problem with religions?
we live in a society that denigrates atheism because it's a threat to their dogma driven belief systems.
advocating for logic over proselytism isn't evangelizing, grow up. you sound like Kirk Cameron lol
Idk, I haven't been denigrated in a hot second.
because they know you're into it, mate.
Call me a godless heathen again, sir! I neeeeeed it!!!
Denigrate me, daddy.
you unreconstructed whelp of a whore!
When a person believes in a religion, they have trained their brains to ignore part of reality. Once you've trained your brain to do that, manipulative people can more easily abuse your brain into thinking other incorrect things.
And that's how you get MAGA
So the purpose is less about evangelizing atheism, and more about fixing other people's brains for the betterment of society.
I mean, scientific materialism also denies a large part of reality. Or at least I knew that really, really well the last time I did mushrooms
Every religion thinks they're "fixing" people by evangelizing
Maybe. But the scientific method and logic are provably functional. You see a thing, you replicate the thing, you can then do more things.
So it's not a huge stretch to say that getting people to follow those methods is an improvement.
No one uses the scientific method in their day to day lives. This includes all scientists, and atheists. The rationalists tried this, and their conclusion was
(1) Psychological research shows that using heuristics is what we do 90% of the time. This is an evolutionary preference that is more or less baked in, as rational though requires much more time and energy.
(2) Using rational thought for day to day tasks or important life decisions is indistinguishable from the control - ie, giving a shit and trying.
(3) Even people dedicated to seeking truth as fully as possible are highly susceptible to cognitive biases. Eg, the placebo effect still works even when you know about the placebo effect and know you are taking a placebo.
(4) When people don't take a moral stance to seek truth at the expense of their deepest beliefs, they tend to use rationality to reinforce their existing beliefs.
(5) Research shows that you change people's minds by being friendly and supportive and showing that your worldview and lifestyle lead to good outcomes. Logical refutation of people's beliefs tends to just make them dig their heels in more. This is why missionaries dig wells in impoverished nations.
(6) Communal/tribal ties are far stronger than logic. If everyone you know and identify with believes something, you will almost certainly also believe that thing, even if presented with clear evidence to the contrary.
(7) Religious people are perfectly capable of being intelligent and rational. There are many highly successful religious people, including in engineering and hard sciences. In fact, being religious seems to have numerous practical benefits in multiple aspects of life, from having a community to being more successful in your career to having a general sense of well being.
(8) Trying to form an identity around feelings of persecution for your not-religion was pretty cringy and we all regret it.
That really depends on how they follow them. For example, eugenics is scientifically sound. It's morally depraved in practice, but the scientific method doesn't account for ethics.
Is it though? Time and again it's been shown that having a very wide basic genetic options is the healthiest for a species. Evolution favors adaptability.
Now if you're talking about weeding out and genetic issues, diseases, and known problems, yes. We do that today.
Through gene therapy, yes. Eugenics implies selective breeding. It clearly works, look at any domestic animal. It's an ethical nightmare though.
I'm looking at a pug right now. Uhhhhh.....
It works if you know the traits you're trying to optimize for and don't care about the mistakes. We don't know that for humans, and we do care.
I think you're mistaking science for psychopathy. Proper science would recognize that humans are social creatures and therefore our actions have impact across society, and we need to take that into account.
Also, try and breed two very smart people. You rarely get a stable smarter person.
I do find it a bit distasteful sometimes but I'd disagree with you here. It's a support group and the only way to wake up society to absurd flaws of religion is through community conciousness.
In my experience most of these online groups are just memes and stories about being superior to religious people. I had to bail on them because it was gross.
You're saying that from a privilege of living where atheism is acceptable. For many its not and its a powerful tool for resisting religion.
The atheism subreddit in particular is more toxic than any religious people I've encountered on the internet. I identify as discordian now specifically to distance myself from that kind of atheist.
True. I never got the point of it.
But I’m atheist/agnostic in a place where nearly everyone else is. I guess it feels a bit different when you live somewhere where literally everyone else is religious.
Exactly. It's clearly net positive for our society even if it can be cringe just by the sheer scale of religious oppression in the world.
If atheism forum ate a baby every day it would still be a net positive because people on Lemmy forgot that religious freedom and freedom to be an atheist is not viable in big chunk of the world.
Thats why so many atheist converts become such zealots. Imagine growing up in what essentially is spiritual North Korea and discovering freedom for the first time. That's where many of these cringe atheist memes come from.