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Image is of the damage caused by an Iranian Kheibar Shekan ballistic missile in Israel, causing dozens of injuries.


Now in our second week of the conflict, we have seen continuing damage to both Israel and Iran, as well as direct US intervention which nonetheless seems to have caused limited damage to Fordow and little damage to Iran's nuclear program. Regime change seems more elusive than ever, as even Iranians previously critical of the government now rally around it as they are attacked by two rabid imperialists at once. And Iran's government is tentatively considering a withdrawal, or at minimum a reconsideration, of their membership to the IAEA and the NPT. And, of course, the Strait of Hormuz is still a tool in their arsenal.

A day or so on from the strike on Fordow, we have so far seen basically no change in strategy from the Iranian military as they continue to strike Israel with small barrages of missiles. Military analysts argue furiously - is this a deliberate strategy of steady attrition on Israel, or indicative of immense material constraints on Iran? Are the hits by Israel on real targets, or are they decoys? Does Iran wish to develop a nuke, or are they still hesitating? Will Iran and Yemen strike at US warships and bases in response to the attack, or will they merely continue striking only Israel?

And perhaps most importantly - will this conflict end diplomatically due to a lack of appetite for an extended war (to wit: not a peace but a 20 year armistice) or with Israel forced into major concessions including an end to their genocide? Or even with a total military/societal collapse of either side?


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Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
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Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
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Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

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https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[–] LoveYourself@hexbear.net 32 points 9 hours ago (16 children)

Obama 2.0 dropped

629 days of livestreamed extermination and this is who I am supposed to be celebrating?

US cultural hegemony and liberal zionism are scourges.

[–] YEP@hexbear.net 5 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

You are dense. He is doing dog whistles for the left and you are sticking you fingers in your ears.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 9 points 3 hours ago

I don't think it's wrong to criticize him for only sounding dogwhistles when the situation is as dire as it currently is for Palestinians. There isn't really a winning move for Zohran (and this is the case for leftists trying to win electoral victories instead of using elections as promotion), though, either he uses all the appropriate rhetoric and loses, or he dogwhistles and has to compromise his real position.

The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution.

Trying to win an election means you have to compromise and conceal your actual views and aims. That might be a justified cost, but it's still something worth criticizing and keeping in mind.

[–] LoveYourself@hexbear.net 3 points 2 hours ago

You are dense

Block me please.

[–] DengistDonnieDarko@hexbear.net 32 points 8 hours ago

you're right, we should scrap the entire thing and give up no-choice

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 55 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (10 children)

“Obama 2.0” this must be a joke?

The video you shared is a short form answer for an extremely liberal audience to win an election. He already has clarified his public stance on Israel as having the right to exist only as a state with equal rights for all. To any leftist hearing that, you should immediately know he is saying Israel as we know it CANNOT exist. He is very obviously not a Zionist if you look at all at his history of organizing.

Touting the endorsement of an extremely popular politician in your home city to win an election is not the dig you think it is. Why on earth would he denounce her endorsement if he’s actually interested in winning?

Increasing funding for hate crime prevention does NOT just include for antisemitism. Also we should want increased funding for prevention of antisemitism and all hate crimes. Am I missing something here?

You’re pointing out a singular deleted tweet of his, being highlighted by a right wing grifter Twitter account, when he still has things like this up on his Twitter.

And what is he supposed to do? Endorse vandalism?

Please be serious. This is an embarrassingly poorly read post. I swear to god some people ostensibly on the left think it’s more important to do nothing wrong than it is to actually do something right and make some progress.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Yea i don't think Obamna would've ever said Israel should be a secular state, always a Jewish state.

Edit: I think it's best to wait (assuming he wins general) before casting judgement.

[–] MizuTama@hexbear.net 45 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Have you considered the material reality that seeing a leftist on a late-night show scream, "Death to Amerikkka! Unlimited First World Genocide," Would be really funny?

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 33 points 7 hours ago

Ok but if his mayoral campaign tanks he should just say it

[–] very_poggers_gay@hexbear.net 27 points 8 hours ago

Maybe he's waiting until he's mayor before he starts posting slammer memes qin-shi-huangdi-fireball

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[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 23 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

I'm blanket pinging everyone in this subthread to note this post. go as deep-nesting as you want in this subthread (as long as people are respecting the sidebar code of conduct) but please don't make a pattern of doing zohran electoralism struggle sessions in the newsmega.

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[–] LoveYourself@hexbear.net 13 points 7 hours ago

If I never have to see him again it would be a blessing.

[–] hellinkilla@hexbear.net 8 points 6 hours ago (3 children)
[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 11 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It refers to the reply lines on the left hand size of the page. Look at one of the subthreads with a million replies and you'll see what I mean.

In this context it means struggle your heart out in this subthread but let's not let the news mega get swamped by American electoralism

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[–] spectre@hexbear.net 39 points 8 hours ago

Obama 2.0 dropped

Let's see what he materially does when he's in office. Too early to tell.

629 days of livestreamed extermination and this is who I am supposed to be celebrating?

If you are US American or Canadian: yes. If you aren't either of those: let it rip.

Past revolutionaries did much dirtier things to gain and retain power than Zohran refusing to tank his campaign by quieting his tone in order to win an election and actually have the power to positively effect his community. His approach to the genocide has impressed me more than the PRC's has, as one example (given the respective context of each entity).

US cultural hegemony and liberal zionism are scourges.

Agree, it sucks that he has to walk back the public presentation of some of his principles in order to win. That's politics, it's fucking dirty even when you're the "good guy". It is even true of non-electoral politics to some extent. You do what you need to do to gain power, and once you can wield it effectively with the support of those you represent, you have more freedom to actually be a leader.

Nothing wrong with being outraged about the ongoing genocide, ofc. Zohran is hopefully the first of many, and he has proven that support for Palestine (which he does, even if his public presentation of that has been modified for purposes of winning a campaign) does not permanently tank you forever in your political career. This is good, Zionism in the U.S. still holds strong, but is quickly eroding. At this point, the more they ask him about it, the faster it erodes; we have the upper hand and that should be celebrated.

[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 26 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (24 children)

Would love an explanation as to why you believe he should say he won't fight antisemtism.

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[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 32 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

The dialectical relationship between your post and the post immediately before it by a few minutes is really giving peak hexbear

[–] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 12 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I’m surprised we’re doing this dance again, I thought we were free after Bernie and AOC show their true colors

[–] MizuTama@hexbear.net 11 points 7 hours ago

The Third-Worldists feeling justified as we Amerikkkans once again argue over electoralism.

[–] Bakzik@hexbear.net 15 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Leaving a comment here. I want to come back to this post in a few months-years.

Comrades, we are materialistic. There is more chances that this guy bends the knee to the hegemonic power than really pushing socialist laws (more close to the SPD than Bolchevisk use of the capitalist state power).

We also know how the USA operates when we talk of progressive politicians (not even socialist ones).

I wish him and his supporter the best. But, comrades, be materialistic, don't be idealistic.

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 21 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It was a materialistic campaign. The entire focus was on improving the material conditions of New Yorkers. It won’t be a red terror, it’ll be an improvement of material conditions to allow the working class to better organize. Free childcare is really one of the major cornerstones here

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[–] very_poggers_gay@hexbear.net 16 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Of course, we have infinite reasons to be pessimistic, but isn't there a point where the skepticism - even if we think it is based on material or intellectual analysis - becomes its own stumbling block?

But, comrades, be materialistic, don't be idealistic.

Like Gramsci said, our intellect drives us towards pessimism, but our will makes us optimists. What is the point of doing anything if we let all the reasons to be pessimistic rule our life? Left movements require the will to be optimistic, to not erase the parts of us that are idealist, because without those we would be crushed by the weight of what we fight against.

[–] Bakzik@hexbear.net 6 points 6 hours ago

Think about the world where Gramsci wrote that.

Be optimistic, sure. But don't be idealistic, is not the same.

It would be cool if he's the real deal, a first step for something bigger.

But he's also in the belly of the beast. Same for the CPUSA and the SPA in the 30', in a world where the URSS was still an horizon for the proletariats of the world. Now, putting all your eggs in the basket of electoralism drove to the winning of Roosevelt and the subsequent repression of the leftist parties and the workers movement. Not the ally a lot of them thought.

AOC and Berni are closer examples, they were also idealized in the ol' CTH subreddit (not by everyone, of course). And, even when you cited the time where Parenti warned us about Bernie, a lot of people jumped the defend an obvious imperialist.

Just don't idealize democrat figures as saviours (just don't idealize in general). Have optimism, of course. But also comprehend that it doesn't mean you should "jump on the granade" for them, don't follow them blindy.

He's no Lenin in 1905, the proletariat is no the same as 1905 (or 1917). But we both know where bourgeoisie electoralism can drive us to. And we need to be prepared for that, no surprises.

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