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I just feel more and more it's a cheap excuse to dismiss debate out of hand rather then confront an uncomfortable truth.

I just don't buy that anyone online cares if someone is arguing in good or bad faith

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[–] Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 12 points 2 days ago

So you think twisting people’s words, lying, cherry-picking information, and attacking them personally - rather than addressing their actual point - is a good way to make them change their minds?

I don’t think you really believe that either, but if I were to engage with you in bad faith, that’s what it would look like.

Good faith doesn’t mean you have to be polite - it means you make a genuine effort to understand what someone is actually saying and engage with that, rather than a cartoon version of their argument. That cartoon version might get you cheers from the audience, but it’s not going to change anyone’s mind. And if minds aren’t being changed - and no serious effort is even made to try - then what’s the point of the debate in the first place?

I’d argue that if someone is genuinely trying to persuade another person, it’s virtually impossible to debate in bad faith. Acting in bad faith means you don’t care whether the other person changes their mind - you just want to dunk on them, be mean, pretend they said something they didn’t, and rally a mob to dogpile on them. Then you tell yourself you’ve “won” the debate because you're getting upvotes and they’re not - even though all you've really done is push them further into their corner.