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Well he is a liberal zionist. I don't think it really matters, and I don't know if I would say anything different to him were I in his position (I don't think it would win a lot of votes to say "I would make use of the armed forces of the NYPD to assist Hamas with doing 1000 more Al Aqsa Floods"). Not to mention he will probably have to be fighting the state government on everything.
He is? I interpreted his response in that debate as endorsing the one-state solution but maybe I was wrong?
It's a bit tomato tomahto. In theory, if Israel recognizes equal rights for Palestinians, then that's great and it would be a one state solution. In practice, that will never happen as long as "Israel" occupies Palestine. So if he was running for a position where his beliefs about Occupied Palestine actually mattered, I would want him to be pressed on how he thinks Israel should become a country where equal rights for Jews and Arabs are upheld, because that's the difference between liberal zionism and antizionism (liberal zionists would be happy to just wait for equal rights to materialize from nothing, antizionists believe in resistance and overthrowing the occupiers).
I think he already knows this and his position is to not do any "no nos" and to at most lie by omission rather than lie outright. Would he have won if he didn't play that game anyway? Tough to say at this point; perhaps it would have been closer but I think he actually would have but I don't think zohran thought he would have at the time
imagine if everyone in the west bank/gaza and the diapora could vote to elect seats into the knesset... it would never happen.... but we could just advocate for it anyway and use it as a shield to beat the zios back with and what can they say? this would never happen but if it actually did I could only assume the knesset would at some point vote to change the name of the state to palestine.<---- no liberal zionist actually desires to allow this to happen but zohrans position was to exist in this weird position of thought so he didn't have to sacrifice his views on the question of Palestinians while still being able to stay stuff like "israel has a right to exist with equal rights" .
Yeah I absolutely agree which is why I said it's only a technical difference, not to mention it simply doesn't matter as mayor of NYC. He's a good lad.
Palestinians in the West Bank literally live under military occupation, are not protected by Israeli law, and are tried at Israeli military courts. And Arab Israelis are still broadly discriminated against in an Apartheid system that's internationally recognized as such. Just one example: Jewish neighborhoods are required to be built with bomb shelters, while Arab neighborhoods have no such requirement and it must be requested for a shelter to be built; in practice, they are almost never built. That's why casualties from rocket attacks on Israel are disproportionately Arab Israelis. And that's the situation for Arab Israeli citizens!
Very strange twisting of the words where Israel claims the land but the people who actually live there aren't included in the "people-having-rights" quota. I wonder why you're defining it like that. Hmmmmmm. Slaves weren't considered citizens, so the US constitution never lied about equal rights, either, I guess. "I'm not touching you".
Someone should tell Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_the_West_Bank
That does not at all contradict what I said or what I linked. Explain.
The Palestinian Authority is not sovereign, they are under Israeli Occupation. What good are rights and citizenship from the PA if you still get detained by IDF soldiers at IDF checkpoints and tried at Israeli military courts?
Al Jazeera source about Jewish Israeli citizens excluding Arabs from shelters. There was also a source on Hexbear last week explaining how new developments for Arab Israelis almost never get bomb shelters built, but I can't find it now. Either way, are Arabic people just more prone to getting hit by missiles? What else could explain it.
That is just not true at all. Just look at court cases involving Arabs in Israel. I know that you have done absolutely zero research on the subject and won't respond to anything anyone says.
lmao
Sir, do you have any idea how BASED you were posting?
Is he that bad? I do not think a liberal would be posting like this?
No he just said he believes Israel has a right to exist as a nation with equal rights. A cop out answer (which is almost definitely the correct move when you're running for a position that has literally nothing to do with Israel)
Yeah I don't believe that's his real position he just wants to avoid being bogged down in that being the only topic he ever gets to talk about (it is anyway but you know). Every time I've seen him the media behaviour has reminded me so much of Corbyn it's uncanny.
Well, technically speaking that "with equal rights" part is essentially what the resistance demands. 'Israel' wouldn't be 'Israel' if it had equal rights. This could be a very cautious, borderline cowardly, way to express a sensible position.
It's pretty funny when you frame it this way because it shows that applying the same views that MLK had about Black people in the US to Palestine will prescribe you to support Hamas. You want equal rights? Get ready to put a grenade in a Merkava, buddy
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