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Image is of the damage caused by an Iranian Kheibar Shekan ballistic missile in Israel, causing dozens of injuries.


Now in our second week of the conflict, we have seen continuing damage to both Israel and Iran, as well as direct US intervention which nonetheless seems to have caused limited damage to Fordow and little damage to Iran's nuclear program. Regime change seems more elusive than ever, as even Iranians previously critical of the government now rally around it as they are attacked by two rabid imperialists at once. And Iran's government is tentatively considering a withdrawal, or at minimum a reconsideration, of their membership to the IAEA and the NPT. And, of course, the Strait of Hormuz is still a tool in their arsenal.

A day or so on from the strike on Fordow, we have so far seen basically no change in strategy from the Iranian military as they continue to strike Israel with small barrages of missiles. Military analysts argue furiously - is this a deliberate strategy of steady attrition on Israel, or indicative of immense material constraints on Iran? Are the hits by Israel on real targets, or are they decoys? Does Iran wish to develop a nuke, or are they still hesitating? Will Iran and Yemen strike at US warships and bases in response to the attack, or will they merely continue striking only Israel?

And perhaps most importantly - will this conflict end diplomatically due to a lack of appetite for an extended war (to wit: not a peace but a 20 year armistice) or with Israel forced into major concessions including an end to their genocide? Or even with a total military/societal collapse of either side?


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[–] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 56 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

I've seen a few people say that closing the Straight of Hormuz would possibly be a bigger issue for China than it would be for the US, or at least that it would be strongly against China's economic interests for that to happen. My question then: isn't it especially important for China to keep their ally in power and prevent pro-US regime change so that the US-western block couldn't deliberately close the Straight to harm them in economic warfare?

If I understand correctly from what I've read throughout this thread, Iran hasn't shown proper urgency in asking China for weapons (in comparison with Pakistan's relationship with China, for example), but I'm surprised China hasn't urged them more? Perhaps they have privately and Iran's leadership was doofy enough to actively refuse them (I could certainly buy it at this point), but it seems like China would benefit from chatting them up again after all this and talking them into being smart before they end up in western hands.

[–] Socialism_Is_The_Alternative@hexbear.net 32 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That would only be an issue for China if Iran were to totally close off the Strait of Hormuz. A much more likely scenario is that Iran would only close off the 'Strait to US/Zionist/Western shipping, similar to what Yemen did with the Bab el-Mandeb Strait.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This means they can’t use mines. That means America will come to force the strait to “ensure freedom of navigation” and war with the US navy directly, which will use their air superiority to destroy the Iranian coastal regions

[–] Socialism_Is_The_Alternative@hexbear.net 26 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

In an all-out-war type scenario, Iran could fire significant amounts of missiles at US military bases throughout the region. It also has anti-ship missiles that would make the US Navy not want to play that game. And at that point, Iran would do a full closure. A full closure of the Strait could cause oil prices to hit 200 to even 500 dollars per barrel. That's why Washington is still unlikely to want to get involved in that large of a conflict with Iran. Washington has too much to lose in that scenario and is unlikely to escalate to reaching it. So, more than likely, a Strait closure would be limited.

[–] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 28 points 6 days ago (1 children)

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[–] jack@hexbear.net 20 points 6 days ago

Of course I support LGBT

[–] Huitzilopochtli@hexbear.net 22 points 6 days ago

Anything like that would be happening entirely behind the scenes and would only be announced if both parties found it beneficial to do so. It is entirely possible that China plans to send something over. It is also entirely possible that the reformist worms still want to risk getting kicked in the face again for another chance to taste American cock.

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 6 points 6 days ago

If China is preparing for what us plebs can see coming, which it very well appears to be, it will continue reducing its reliance on fossil fuels (such as their massive solar building projects) and improve land routes to friendly countries that can offset the lost production should Hormuz close (or some other event cut China off from the middle east via sea).

It should be in China's interests to prepared for a closure of the strait. If it really sees the importance of protecting Iran from Western influence, it cannot itself be a barrier to that route of escalation.

Closing Hormuz (or mining it) is as much a military strategy and an economic one. Placing mines in the strait would force american ships to approach well within engagement distance of advanced Iranian anti-ship missiles should they wish to de-mine it. Right now American warships are sat near Oman just out of range since they have no need to approach.

It would also trap naval forces in the Persian gulf. Any american ships (or submarines) that enter the gulf for purposes of, say, intercepting ballistic missiles or protecting civilian traffic would be cut off from their fleet with no hope of rescue should they take terminal damage. Whilst this is unlikely to occur with an aircraft carrier, destroyers have capable countermeasures and defensive weapons for combatting anti ship missiles and other Iranian anti-ship weapons and could theoretically operate in the gulf for a short time.

Without the strait, there would be little reason for American ships to put themselves at any risk near Iran. That alone should make Beijing wary of discouraging Iran in that regard; any damage to the US navy is damage they may carry into a battle with China, thanks to how long the US takes to build warships.