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[–] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The victims are claiming ritual abuse a la q anon/protocols/satanic panic. While I absolutely believe they were trafficked, I think it is unlikely there were any actual "rituals", to say the least.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

This is a nation that has soldiers routinely pose with assaulted women's clothes, widespread TikTok dances in occupied zones, brags about raping prisoners, has street parades chanting about dismembered children, has intelligence operatives to get blackmail material or create it.

You might as well be saying "Vader wouldn't condone this". I trust what you find likely or unlikely far less than multiple victims. Ritual only means that it was made in a very specific way and as a matter of routine initiation or passage.

In a society that seems to value blackmail as a sort of social MAD, this wouldn't surprise me in the least. Gladio already did shit like that and the CIA taught Mossad whatever Mossad didn't teach back to them.

[–] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The direct quote about the ritual is that its supposed to magically make them forget the abuse, it was not just a routine or passage. No, I don't believe isreali politicians and cops are doing q anon. They're trafficking people, certainly. I think everyone can agree on that. But this isn't tv. Nobody is doing sex abuse magic. Nobody is attempting it.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They never said magic. They said it was a ritual which, again, you're deliberately putting mystical shit where there isn't any. They did mention drugs and torture, which the CIA and their bastard child Mossad aren't shy to use.

This kind of reads like hasbara.

[–] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You brought up MKultra, which was abandoned after they figured out that it doesn't fuckin work. If you think they're trying it again but this time with ritual ceremonies, I dunno what to tell you dude.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 weeks ago

It doesn't work as means to do mind control. It can render somebody regressive and nonverbal, though. There's sadly plenty of evidence for that.

[–] Blakey@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd just like to point out from outside this discussion that you are saying that the reason you disbelieve the testimony of a CSA survivor, on the topic of the vile abuse they suffered, is that it doesn't give the abusers enough credit.

Not at all what I said, but thanks for the tip

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

why do you think you know the details of what they went through better than they do?

[–] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Why do I think ritualistic sex abuse that has magic to make people forget what was done to them didn't happen? That's your question?

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

They never said the word "magic". That's all you.

They said that the abusers had practices around the abuse made deliberately outlandish to make testimony not believable, that they were made to participate in the abuse of others, that there were attempts to make them forget and that drugs were involved.

There's no mention of magic. Not content with undermining other Jewish victims testimony, now you're making shit up. To what end?

[–] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

@LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net and @Kuori@hexbear.net

Before you get to the point of just cursing at one another you should disengage

Weird, almost like my message before they cursed was a disengagement.

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago

guess this is probably where i should have bothered to check my inbox before the modlog shrug-outta-hecks i stand by what i said

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

DR. NAAMA GOLDBERG, head of an NGO called Lo Omdot MeNegged (Hebrew for “Not Standing Idly By”), which assists prostitution survivors, explained that the depictions are sometimes so gruesome that they are hard to believe, but this incredulity serves the abusers, who convince victims not to complain by arguing that they will not be believed. “Several years ago, I received descriptions of sadistic abuse of children,” Goldberg said. “The accounts sounded absurd. [But] the testimonies kept coming and would not let up. They described gangremoved by men, and sometimes by women. The abuse was filmed, and drugs were used. There were ritual practices and symbolism."

Recognize yourself somewhere in this?

[–] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

Gotcha, cheers.