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Flippant Anarchism. A lighter take on social criticism with the aim of agitation.

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It's proletarian communist exploitation though, so it's okay (fedia.io)

submitted 3 weeks ago by NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io to c/flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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[–] dumnezero@piefed.social 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The state isn't some metaphysical evil that's the "big bad", no - it's the oppressive class relations, and the state is merely an instrument to enforce such class relations. For the state to start withering away, one needs to do away with classes entirely, which means building up or repurposing productive forces for socialist mode of production, suppressing counter-revolutions (like in Russian Civil War) to keep the bourgeoisie away from returning to power, etc.

Just because you put ideas in a bucket it doesn't mean that there are causal relationships between them. The bourgeoisie return to power by taking over the state again, or a new bourgeois class grows up, a local and organic one, and does the same.

States and corporations, in of themselves, are entities similar to what's now called "AGI". They become self-sustaining self-centered entities. The ancient tradition, as pointed out by others ( https://davidgraeber.org/books/the-dawn-of-everything-a-new-history-of-humanity/ ), is to kill states early, in their infancy. Kill the state, start a new one or a different one when it's necessary, and repeat.

USSR had a peasant and industrial underdevelopment problem, where after the revolution there was no way to quickly "build up" these forces without taking multiple decades to a decent enough state where everyone's needs could be met via a planned economic model, which is a major task of a centralized state. Without this task being completed, capitalist commodity production model persists and state cannot wither away.

What's the point if you still end up with capitalism? These regimes are just doing a different flavor, an A/B test of a different strain of capitalism. You're relying on this causal claim that "it will happen", but it's based entirely on old theory that has not aged well at all. The "plan" literally looks like beating Capitalism with capitalism. That's just going to lead to more capitalism. I simply don't get how you can declare that such plans lead to the goals. And if they don't, they need to be scrapped.

Worse, still, is the issue that we live with a ticking timebomb (the stability of the climate and the biosphere, separately and together, collapsing.) Time is running out.